Al-Qaeda Online - Am I the only one offended?

[The Old Man]

Well, then, how about the real simple version: "Your Bill of Rights ends where the other persons nose begins". There is no further valid Bill of Rights discussion about how far into the other persons nose you can drive your fist. Or how many people you can legally plan to murder, or who you can incite to criminal violence. Criminal acts have no connection with Bill of Rights guarantees. We all have the ultimate right of self-defence, and in this Republic we have divested a portion of that right in our government when it gets past our individual ability to take care of. Our elected government officials (all police, sheriffs, judges, state officers and federal officers, including every military person) has sworn a personal oath to defend and uphold the U.S. Constitution (and by extension, the Bill of Rights) of the U.S against all enemies foreign and domestic. That means they are obligated to take care of conspirators or anarchists who are actively trying to destroy that Constitution, and disturb your individual right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And if our elected officials don't take care of all enemies foreign and domestic, we can vote them out of office every two or four years, as the case may be. The Texas flag has it about right; "Don't Tread On Me".

[lord_darkside_x]

When? Where? To Whom? This is a guy who believes that all non-muslims of his sect are worth of death! This is not some Amnesty Interantional aid worker. He believe in Jihad, the violent conversion of non-believers. Say what you will about the USA (most of it may be true), but don't think you can justify (or even defend) OBL and his Al-Queda!

here is the thing... he came forward about 3 or 4 (i believe) years back. there was a few tapes released saying that america needed to stop what it was doing, or it would suffer. then he declared war on the U.S. i believe that he is a horrible man and i am not defending or justifying his stand point. but i am saying, it all depends on your stand point. and i am saying that he did warn america. i never said he was justified (hence the disclaimer) but i was saying he thinks he is justified, just as the U.S. feels it is justified. i am saying there is no excuse for violence on either side of the court ours or his. i am also saying that he wasn't completely unprovoked. he didn't randomly just choose america and attack it.

and sadly, we discuss him forcing our religion on others... well we try to force our government. it's all relative. besides i think the main thing i am trying to get across is, there are reasons behind everything. there is no one side to an issue and there is no "right" side no matter how much we would like to think there is one. we may think we are right, he thinks he is.

i apologize if you misunderstood me, jim as well as if i offended you. but the point i was trying to make i have expressed above. i was not supporting him in any fashion. i was also saying that violence is violence. no matter what the reason. whenever someone steps down to the level of violence, they become equals. violence is never the appropriate answer. my statement that america is no better then he is was meant to be taken in the context of the idea that it all depends on your side of the issue as well as in the context of violence not being the answer. hope i cleared things up.

[jcmcb]

Lord -

You didn't offend me, I respect you and your opinion. However I must disagree. There is a huge difference between the actions of a Government (created to serve the people) that may get out of hand, and a self-serving terrorist who uses violence to serve a personal end.

If the US gets out of control, there are procedures and ways to bring it to heel. We have rules, courts, and tradition to bind us from becoming evil. There is no such check on OBL.

As for all violence being relative, I don't buy it. If you use that rational, than defending yourself is as wrong as attacking someone. OBL attacked the US because western values (freedom, democracy, tolerance, drinking, equality of women, questioning of authority) are an anthema to his view of the righteous society. This isn't some attack on the excesses of the US Gov't, this is an attack on western values. We (the civilized world, both west and east) need to understand that, and either join with the less savory elements of Western civilization (i.e. Bush and his cronies) or resign ourselves to destruction.

Believe Lord, we can hang together, because we will assuradly hang seperately (with all props to Ben Franklin)

[chawleyx87d]

We have always thought that America was SAFE and UNTOUCHABLE,
boy were we wrong. We have to now come to the reality
that we are very venerable They struck first and we have to
follow through with the War and do it righ

I think the time is right to stop the addiction to oil from the Middle
East start looking at other types of fuel sources every time the U.S.
or Allies make big moves against a fanatical personality or a regime
there is a risk the Arab countries will jack up the prices like the
1970s or cut off oil completly that's why other Western Countries
are thinking whoa when Bush makes noises about pounding
Iraq because there interests in the region will be threatened
it's all about Money $$$ politics greed. As long as money gets
pumped into the regimes the threat will always exist they
can fund the Terrorists by proxy provide them training everything
and then send them on there way then a certain personality
will take all the heat off them.

[MikenTexas]

I am not offended by this as much as I am about all the pornography on the Internet. However, it is a Freedom of Speech issue and I'd rather protect that first. Besides, if we know the Al Queda is organizing on the Internet, so do the CIA, NSA, and other fun groups.
As they say in the SEALS, "Don't run and hide- you'll only die tired."