How long until Knowledge is illegal?

[Geric]

Quick question. How many ppl here who are complaining about the government have actually done something about it besides gripe on the Internet. If you are an American citizen then you ARE the government. If you don’t vote you don’t get to gripe.. pure and simple. Personally there are many things are government does that I do not agree with however, instead of bashing the government to a group of people I email my representative. No my one email will not change the world... my hope is that if my idea is a good one and others with similar ideas email there representatives then maybe a collective voice can be herd. I may have just wasted ten minutes writing an email but I could have just as easily wasted it gripping an a message board. Get my point. Want a good example of freedom... a mayor is caught on tape smoking crack, serves time and gets re-elected. It was not the governments fault it was the people of D.C. they decided that they still want him as there mayor. THEY elected him. Personally I would take a crack head with great ideas over sober idiot. No one said you have to vote for this man or die.... he merely ran and won. If you want to change the system you have to be in the system. The constitution set up guidelines for keeping our government in check it’s our own fault if that is not being done. I do believe that some of our freedoms are being taken away however, I do not think it is because our government officials are sitting up there think of ways to turn us all into zombies.. there too busy fighting each other for that. Our freedoms are being taken away b/c the people with the power feel that it is the best thing to do. This does not make them right. If you want to change it you can, you just have to work for it.
Just my two cents

[accessoveride]

well geric it just falls on deff ears unless u have moneyand lots of it.heres 1 4 all of you i can go die 4 my country at 18 but cant drink till 21,hell im 29 and still think its b.s.well mankan i agree with ravinous that our goverment would rather give us a comfortable lie than an uncomfortable truth,and living here and visiting is 2 diffrent things,come stay 4 a year and u might understand.we dont vote our prez in ,the electorial collage does ,our votes is a popularity contest basicly. hell they spend 3000$ 4 a toilet seat that costs 10 bucks ,so where does the rest go ............in their pocket.i enjoy this conversation too mankan ,i cant say much 4 sweden,ive never been to europe ,but i can say that u guys have a verrrry impressive underground library.as far as ny cops go most are good cops i agree.



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[cF_nM]

I think the saying of lead singer Maynard James Keenan of Tool and A Perfect Circle "Think for yourself."

[owen76]

As for the person saying we should vote to change things...

In my town and my school things we voted down were put in place anyways. Good 'ol boy system. Elite do what they want.

The CIA overthrows officials in freely elected democratic countries when those leaders won't take sides or decide to take aid from communist led countries. If you don't believe me read Presidents' Secret Wars by John Prados. It will open your eyes. I know believe we were involved in the Venezuela assasination attempts, and the Cubans storming the Mexican embassy.

[Geric]

I agree that you should be able to drink at 18 if you are also allowed to die for the country. I think if tobacco is legal then marijuana should be legal. I’m a non-smoke (of anything) but I can’t see why the more harmful one is legal. (This is a completely different topic and I’m not trying to start it up I’m just using it as an example since there is a cigarette add sitting in front of me). I did not say I agreed with all of our laws... I stated that if you want to change it then you will have to work for it. Yes money is powerful and alot of representatives only listen to it... but that’s because the people who elected them allow this. I’m not saying that it is easy.... only that it is possible. Sitting here complaining is fine as long as you are doing something else more constructive and practical at the same time. Yes there are corrupt politicians but they did get elected and that’s our fault. The electoral college was very practical at the time it was created (same reason 16 year olds don’t vote) today personal I don’t think it is necessary but you don’t change the rules of the game at half time (referring to the Gore Bush fiasco). If we want to get rid of it then we should seriously debate it. But the fact is that you DO vote for the electoral college. Not directly, but it is determined your state reps who you do vote for. My long unclear point is that you DO have a choice... you just have to know how to use it.

[Geric]

Schools, jobs, and marriages will never be a democracy. If a piece of legislation (government) was voted against but put into place anyway... look into your legal options.

[ravenorus]

this country is free to a point but we are loseing the battle
ok here look at this
i go to so in florida
if u get caught with a pack of cigs u get 3 days of inschool the first time than 5 7 10 and so forth
but if u get caught with a gun or nivfe u dont get introuble
y becuase it is a little good old boy town and there are to many rednecks there and thats what the school it
i have had a gun pulled on me and they didnt get introuble with the school
but i got caught with a pack of smokes and got introuble
see hwat is up with that
than i tryed to get them introuble for the gun thing
but all i got was more in trouble for my actions
they didnt care about me
i am a yawkee to them if i stay here i more year i will be a damm yawkee

[Waygate01]

Pretty soon we'll end up in the dark ages with knowledge banned, or Farenhiet 451.

[blackh0le]

Mankan. the thing you said about the media being the one to investigate these type of things and getting the information to us. i are wrong. the media controls what we see and what we dont. if a person (not pointing at you) sits in front of its tv all listening to cnn all and believing what they say, will not get the other side of the story. just like zigar said, all the mainstream media cares about is its ratings and the cash flowing into their pockets. look at any mass media chanell. why is it that as soon as one event is done with, the next one comes up. why is it that some channels only tell one side of what is going on in the mideast. the media wants us to believe what they think we should believe. if they want to turn the mainstream public against someone they think might be radical, they will do that. they will play the freaking planes flying into the wtc untill the people have rage in their minds. its all brainwashing.

think of me as another "radical" if you want to but is it a coincidence that america is bombing afghanistan trying to clear the area, and thats the area (mideast) with the most underground oil. as far as cops being nice goes, i have seen people being killed in anti-globalization protests for destroying property. i break your window and you come out and shoot me. i block the enterence to your house and you bring out the tear gas.

If you are an American citizen then you ARE the government. If you don’t vote you don’t get to gripe.. pure and simple.

thats not what the picture says.

[draziw]

It's just ineviteable... personal freedoms are getting fewer and fewer and will continue pretty much indefinitely - you WILL work, think, and act the way someone thinks is "proper" or you will be "dealt with."

Just the whole idea of making laws to protect people from themselves, to me, is stupid... if someone wants to go out there and kill themselves through whatever stupid idea, let them. If they hurt someone else, then they should be held personally responsible - period.

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If you're walking down the street and you trip and fall in front of someone else's property, it's YOUR OWN fault and not the person who owns the property -- you should have watched where you were going or you shouldn't have been there (in either case you probably wouldn't have fallen and gotten in to trouble).

If your kid runs across the street and climbs and neightbor's tree, then falls out of it and breaks their shoulder or neck, you shouldn't go suing the neighbor...

This country just has a habit of the need to "blame" someone for cause, rather than blaming themselves - someone always has to be labelled a "victim" and someone the "culprit," it seems. Two people are fighting and one gets seriously hurt, the person who is hurt is the "victim" and the other is to blame. In reality, they're BOTH at fault and the person hurt probably got what they deserved - or at least got enough that they should learn that they shouldn't do that and should have just walked away... at least let's hope.
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