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June 28th, 2002, 09:27 AM
#11
it all really depends on the administrators.. and the engineers on how they set up their security settings..
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June 28th, 2002, 02:23 PM
#12
This is just propaganda. Nobody keeps power controls running on systems accessible through the internet. If anything, some websites used to display information on floor maps, alarms and security used throughout different places. Anyone can see how that became a potential threat to security after 9/11 and it was taken off the internet. Everything with IT gets blown out of proportion. Just like the Y2k bug. Has everyone forgotten that?
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June 28th, 2002, 03:31 PM
#13
Junior Member
Dont be so sure about that LadyBug...If they have 'net access at the power station, I can guarantee you that somewhere there is a poorly protected link between the control systems network and the employee network.
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June 28th, 2002, 04:46 PM
#14
Originally posted here by Terr
I blame it on people cutting corners in order to make administering large systems easier. Ideally they should know that it is NOT safe to be able to go to access.electrical.us/control/disablegrid?id=35652 
To reiterate my little security philosophy... make it physically impossible to modify the working of the system remotely. Monitor? Sure. But when it comes to major risk areas, don't invite problems...
Well, I guess it depends what part of what kind of system you consider.
i have to agree with terr...why the hell would u allow a nuclear facility to be able ot blow up or over heat or w/e remotely!...just plain stupid make them try to infiltrate the plants so that they feel m-16's
\"\"A weak mind is like a microscope, which magnifies trifling things but cannot receive great ones.\" — G.K. Chesterton, 19th-century English essayist and poet\"
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July 11th, 2002, 04:03 PM
#15
why the hell would u allow a nuclear facility to be able ot blow up or over heat or w/e remotely!
well no one does.. but like any bug.. it comes unexpected.. like XP.. those UPnP and etc etc new functions were meant to make user's life a lil more easier.. it wasnt designed so that hackers can hack to the user's system..
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July 11th, 2002, 04:17 PM
#16
I post in another thread my responce for this subject "Don't want to get bashed for posting the answer in two threads on one subject again"
I also said in another thread: The only thing we would really have to worry about is if someone decided to take and attack us at home while we are over seas, but then again. Not many have the ability to do so.
btw: I'm talking about a full out Iraq attack are something along those lines. See we have so may allies that we can get away with missions like that. Iraq wouldn't be able to fly 30 fighter jets over, and land on out out skirts for refuel & ammo.
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July 11th, 2002, 04:42 PM
#17
Banned
I had read the Washington Post story. Interestingly, some of the other security gurus were warning about his for some time - a few months?
It's a shame for world-wide users of the Internet that the trend seems to be more and more to private/secure networks. Now, I realize that this is necessary for national defense. I guess since I'm old, I remember the early fun days of the Internet when everyone shared just about everything and it was a community. I guess it will never be the same! I read that the US DOD has/will implement its own highly secured "Internet." I have no idea what that means, but that will probably be the rule. The big money will flee the public places, and go to private "Internets." Remember the early CompuServe in the 80's? You had to pay, but you got good stuff and it was "safe."
I think the trend will be back to private networks that operate like the old BBS's with SYSOPS tightly controling users and content. We will be paying because script kiddies, black hats, terrorists, and spammers will be clogging the public places with so much junk that people with the money will go elsewhere for a clean experience with safe shopping, etc.
So the people that these cyber-terrorists (or other liberation punks) claim to represent will suffer because the poor people will have a second class/inferior Internet system. And then those of us in the US, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, etc. will be dumped on for our pay systems that the rest of the world can't afford.
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July 11th, 2002, 05:07 PM
#18
its bad when so many hackers in the U.S. want to root Al Qadis boxes but can't because you don't know if your doing more harm then good to the U.S. intelligence!
We should nuke their sandbox and turn it into a parking lot for McDonalds....
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