draziw,

In short, I guess what I'm trying to say is that what tends to make you faster or slower than one ISP or another seems to have more to do with such things as router configurations, capacity of the line, protocols used, and the provider... most copper issues I've personally seen tend to just be a crappy line or similiar.
The crappy switches at the CO and bad copper.

zepherin,

they should just lay OC12 fiber always and sublease it cause OC12 fiber and t1 fiber are the same and if someone subleaseing it wants to change what they got they can do it without needing to have to lay more wireing (the essential problem with copper).
That is what our capacity is right now ( I think ) we have a total of 8 strands of fiber 6 being on standby.

bludgeon,

I think what you both meant is that, in a metal medium, electrons meet w/ resistance which causes interference and signal degredation.
Very accurate if not totally correct.

droby10,

you weren't concerned about what information was being given out by the use of 'net send'?
Huh?

LoggOff,

ok, i have been thinking a long time about the data speed thruput of an oc line...... or mose spacificly an oc192....... you cant just connect it into a normal computer can you? what special hardware do you need to get on installed...... for example, i have a 600mhz 192 ram box with a 6bb hdd....... that wouldnt be able to handle it would it? what would i need?
The fiber runs into a multiplexor, into CAT 5 to the router. (digital back to analog conversion here )

xxsharkexx,

I have been playing around with net send and with many net send anonymous senders. The problem I have run into that is that net send does not work without the 2 users being on the same network. Seeing as 99% of the time that I am on the computer I am not on a network that limits me a lot. Im guessing the person you messaged was not on the same network as you so I am curious as to how you did that.
He was on the same network, DHCP asigns an IP each time you log in, also I knew that he was using Win2k, so I had his IP and knew he was on the same net/subnet.

And finally Thank you allenb1963, and anyone I may have missed.