Hrmm.. that's odd, I figured a good deal of DoS came from DOS. Like, most people (I thought) used like ping -t (IP) or that ping -v igmp (IP) -l 15000 -t'. If people use tools and bots, isn't that easily(ier) traceable? Anyways, thanks for the site. Oh and IMHO, I don't think there is too much defense for DoS attacks. I can be wrong.