U.N Security Counsil OK's Iraq Resolution

[Spyder32]

Uhm, I'm not going to comment of the idiocy of that post. Wait, maybe it's not idiocy but my opinion of idiocy. In any sense, Iraq will have the inspectors in there and I can only hope to see what happens now that they are saying that inspectors are able to come in. The next following weeks (and maybe months?) will be very interesting.

[4MidgetHitmen]

Interesting read on the Progressive site Mahakaal... Sorry I don't agree with their conclusions though... I have a deep rooted distrust of any group who spouts anything about "Social Justice."

The mission of The Progressive is to be a journalistic voice for peace and social justice at home and abroad. The magazine, its affiliates, and its staff steadfastly oppose militarism, the concentration of power in corporate hands, the disenfranchisement of the citizenry, poverty, and prejudice in all its guises. We champion peace, social and economic justice, civil rights, civil liberties, human rights, a preserved environment, and a reinvigorated democracy.

I spent most of the 1980's fighting so called social justice movements in Central America and from what I saw the only social justice, human rights, poverty, and disenfranchisement they are interested in is there own.

Over the last two years, I've discovered documents of the Defense Intelligence Agency proving beyond a doubt that, contrary to the Geneva Convention, the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the country's water supply after the Gulf War. The United States knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would pay, and it went ahead anyway.

And where are the so called documents? Why not post them with the article? I like his use of "the children" in his article. It has been my experience that only those who can not get sympathy for their cause in any other way use the children in a desperate attempt to sway people to their side... I have seen how "social justice" movements treat children and it is not pretty...

Now here is my rub with the article... It blames the US for all of these supposed problems... It was the UN, not the US, which placed sanctions against Iraq... It is the UN, not the US that has allowed the sanctions to remain in effect... I will allow that the US has done everything it can to keep the sanctions in place... At this point it is rather stupid to keep them since Iraq has not lived up to a single agreement it has made in the past ten years... The time for waiting and watching is over... It is time to get rid of Saddam and those of the ruling party who ARE hurting the children... It is Saddam who used chemical weapons against villages in his own country not the US... How many children died in those attacks??? I don't see any compassion for them... It is Saddam who routinely use murder and torture against his own people to maintain his power... Where is the outrage at that??? It is Saddam who is a despotic leader who wants to wipe the Jews from the face of the earth... Where is the outrage at the man who wants and seeks to commit genocide???

I have no love for communists in any shape or form Makahaal... And it would seem to me that is exactly where you are getting your information from... A communist front group... I guess that they all didn't die and go away when the Soviet Union fell apart after all...

By enriching and diversifying the public debate on the issues of the day, the Progressive Media Project is doing its part to establish a more vibrant civil society and a more genuine democracy in America.

BTW America was never intended to be a "genuine democracy...” It was and is meant to be a Republic....

This resoultion needs to be summed up with one answer a nuclear winter for the arabic world. God forbid a nuclear cloud float over the skies of Iran. How many oil fields are going to be set on fire this time by Iraqi's with bic lighters, we have strategic nukes lets use them. Oh yeah have you seen the amount of palaces that ***** has, its unreal, when's the last time you heard Saddam letting american round eyes in, much less UN inspectors. I dont think so!

IMO you were right the first time Spyder32... It is an idiotic post... paulie walnuts... Anyone who would openly advocate the use of nuclear weapons as a first stike is either:
1. Not well enough informed of the repercussions of using nuclear weapons.
or
2. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
or
3. All of the above.
Which are you?

[Spyder32]

Well, it looks as if Saddam is saying he want's to avoid war. This is one of the latest articles from yahoo.com and it is pretty interesting. I didn't want to create a new thread so I'd add to this one instead. Enjoy..

**** From Yahoo.com****
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) said Saturday he had no choice but to accept a tough, new U.N. weapons inspection resolution because the United States and Israel had shown their "claws and teeth" and declared unilateral war on the Iraqi people.

In an open letter to Iraq's parliament, Saddam said he hoped the weapons inspectors would help the U.N. Security Council "to see the truth as it really is about Iraq being completely free of weapons of mass destruction."

The advance team of inspectors is expected in Baghdad on Monday after a four-year absence. Under a new resolution approved last week, the inspectors are empowered to go anywhere and interview anyone to determine if Iraq still has banned weapons. Failure to cooperate fully will probably bring a U.S.-led attack.

Saddam told Parliament in the letter he accepted the resolution "because your enemy, the alliance between Zionism and the American administration has ... after showing its claws and teeth, decided to wage war unilaterally against our people."

"If the unjust persist in their wrongdoing, then you know that the potentials and obligations that we carry from our revolution to withstand all injustice will ensure their defeat," he added.

The Revolutionary Command Council, the top decision-making body headed by Saddam, decided on Wednesday to accept the resolution. The rubber-stamp parliament had earlier recommended rejecting it but left the final decision to the Iraqi leader.

Addressing the legislators as "esteemed brothers and comrades," Saddam said "your enemy has returned, once again, to camouflaging its schemes under the cover of the Security Council, which has ... infringed upon all that may represent the conscience of international unanimity."

The U.N. team will begin preliminary inspections of suspected weapons sites on Nov. 27, according to chief inspector Hans Blix. He then has 60 days to report back to the council with his findings.

"We hope and expect to have full Iraqi cooperation," Blix said Saturday in Paris. "A denial of access or a delayed access ... this would be a serious thing."

Under the resolution, Iraq must declare all weapons programs to the United Nations by Dec. 8. The Iraqi declaration will then be compared with previous data gathered by inspectors.

Blix said access to suspected sites would be key to the mission's success, adding that Iraq would be held accountable for blocking inspectors' work.

The United States believes Iraq has been illegally rearming for several years. Inspectors, out of Iraq since December 1998, have not been able to verify that claim.

In Baghdad, a government newspaper on Saturday urged the arms experts to resist U.S. pressure and not create pretexts that could open the way for an attack on Iraq.

"The inspectors should not mix up the cards, creating a crisis and fabricating pretexts that aim to harm the people of Iraq," the daily Al-Jumhuriya said in a front-page editorial.

"They should adopt an honest, objective and professional attitude to their work and not to bend to U.S. pressure," it said.

In Cairo, Amr Moussa, secretary general of the Arab League, also urged the inspectors to carry out their mission in "a neutral ... and honest way which will endorse their credibility." Arab countries have urged Iraq to cooperate with inspections, and warned that a U.S.-Iraq war could create instability throughout the volatile region.

In Syria, Masoud Barzani, leader of one of the two anti-Saddam Kurdish parties in control of northern Iraq, said Saturday that Iraq's acceptance of the U.N. resolution would only delay a U.S. attack.

Meanwhile, a London newspaper reported Saturday that Libya agreed to give Saddam's family and leading members of his regime asylum in Libya if Iraq goes to war with the United States, at a $3.5 billion price tag.

The Times said Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi would not give refuge to Saddam or for his eldest son Odai. But it said Saddam's extended family and 12 senior officials would get sanctuary.

Syria had agreed to provide an overland escape route, allowing the Iraqis to fly on to Libya, the paper said.

Libyan Foreign Ministry spokesman Hassouna al-Shawish denied the report, the official Libyan news agency JANA said.

****End Article****

It's extremely odd to me that Saddam included Israel into this when I don't think Israel "showed it's claws and teeth". I don't think the U.S did, and if it did it was only to a degree. It's rather strange of him to add Israel into this which could have been a tactic to get other Arabic countries (those that hate Israel) to back Iraq. Hrm, I believe I've seen this before, say around the Gulf War?

Another Interesting note is the note of Syria and Libya being involved one way or another. I don't know what Saddam is up to, but like I've said, the next coming weeks will be most interesting to see how the inspection plays out. Especially since the inspectors are leaving or arriving sometime monday. What do you all think?..