Judge orders ISPs to trace online pirates...

[SpydaByte]

LOL. This is a great thread DkRr. Thanks! My opinion is that people will not change their ways (maybe a SMALL % of them will.) But i think it will become one of those laws like using a turn signal. No one enforces it! (There is also a national law about having 1 head light burnt out?!? Weird huh?) The ISP's may start blocking ports, but if i was subscribed to one of those isp's, i would probably just stop my subscription! Some files you can stream. SOME. But it is a bore and people with dial up (atleast when i had it 2months ago) never streamed..... I download songs i like that are the only ones on that CD that are any good.... I even buy cd's: (most recent is Pink Floyd, b/c i lost my album) because the whole album is good! Id say downloading is used for testing, like a "tryal" period. And also what about music and movie sharing like in packets with IRC? I use that a lot to see a movie that i want 2 try out, before buying! How are they going to track those? Just wondering -P. (It's very hard to block all ports that are used for dling music) Just a thought
-Spyda

PS - (i am in the age range Midridth was talking about)

[The Old Man]

Just trying to imagine a small (or large, it's all relative) ISP trying to conduct his daily business, take help calls from his clients, tell a dozen people nicely they need to learn how to code their own websites because he doesn't have time to do it for them, take calls from people 'thinking' about subscribing to his service...... you get the idea.... and having some judge tell him to track anyone who maybe was downloading music during the year. I can imagine he would just disk-off the logs and give it to the music-dudes or send the court a disk, as the order demanded. That way, he could not be had for contempt of court, and the music-dudes could sort out the log data themselves instead of trying to turn the ISP personnel into their free help, 'cause they are the ones who would have to sign the complaint anyway.
I don't download music, but i do get called to jury duty on occasion, and the music dudes would have to really have their $#1t together to convince me they could track johnny's fingers from his 'puter thru his ISP through the (probably) two-dozen tracert hops to the music they were b1tching about, and then prove he downloaded any. Even if he had it on his harddrive, they would have to prove it came from a downloaded site in a pirate fashion. Besides, even if the judge did issue a warrant, the Sheriff would have to serve it, and that may be another matter of discussion altogether... Sheriffs having a natural aversion to super-dudes with briefcases coming from out of state and trying to tell them what to do.... And, don't forget, the Sheriff is the senior law-enforcement officer in the county, without question. I can just imagine some dude from Nashville showing up and telling the Sheriff what to do, especially to one of his juvenile citizens....
....................SLAMMER TIME!...................................
I think they are all full of $#1t.

[ThisIsTooBoring]

Originally posted here by Midridth
Plus as FamStars&Straps said, most of the people are under 17. They aren't going to throw thousands of minors away because they downloaded mp3s. [/B]

But they could threaten to revoke their license's.... That's what they're doing here in florida when your under 18 and don't attend school or are constantly truant.... Doesn't really work, but i'm sure it will make a difference, if even a small one...

Personally I think it's stupid to waste tax dollars, resources, and time to try to accomplish something that's really not hurting anything... Only thing it might hurt is the record company not bringing in an extra 30 grand a month, which is like pocket change to well established record companies.... I don't think its going to do anything, they're not going to accomplish squat.....

[SpydaByte]

I totally agree with you ThisIsTooBoring. The government is not going to support this Judge. They are not fixing some more troublesome problems (like drug imports) which use less resources, so why would they fix this one? They are too busy, for popular belief, working on blue book projects and trying to hide the fact that we didn't go to the moon. :-) Big contraversy on that one -P. LOL. But you are right. They won't accomplish anything with this.
-Spyda

[Tedob1]

and thats what the navel cadets thought! their not going to bust a bunch of cadets that the government has invested 10's of thousands of dollars in for downloading mp2s. they did!

i dont think they'll be going after 'everybody'. but their going to be hitting the homes of some middle class kids for sure. good. this is what they want, these people that supported this insanity, now they can have it!

[imported_all_smiles]

What we are begining to see here is an entire industry protecting what it has invested years and years creating what is complete control over a distribution chain which is how exactly these jackasses get their music from the artist to the consumer. How many bad songs are on a CD, even by really good artist?? at least a couple and that is the FLUFF that is being sold by the recording industry.

The recording industry is simply protecting their supply chain which they have spent years cornering from everything from the radio stations which we listen to down to the stores that sell the CD's which are controlled by the recording industry. Their entire supply chain provides them with an opportunity to skim a little more off of the top of the cost of a ten dollar CD. Any fool who has burned a CD knows how much it actually costs to produce one and 15 dollars for a half full CD is not the price.

The problem that has been created is that they can still distribute the songs at a profit through charging for an entire over priced CD and not at the small profit which distribution through file sharing would allow but instead through the sale of over priced Cd's because people would only download the songs that they like and instead only download the entire CD when it is worth their time like melon colly and the infinite sadness by smashing pumpkins.

This is only one small way in which the patriot act and other such 9/11 legislative activities have cause our rights to be eroded. when Tedob1 talks about brave new world or 1984 as suggestions to our inevitable future he is not kidding . The things that were suggested then are talking place now though most due not know it because it is so incremental. I can guarantee that if the founding fathers of the US were alive now they would declare independence from washington DC because of the degree to which our rights are being infringed upon.

Do not take this lightly it is the begining of what is to come and legal rights take slow but sure judicial judgements to be removed after the law has been passed and this is only the begining. Most people do not pay enough attention to politics to know what is taking place but soon they will see it when they are being infringed upon in a few more years due to the actions which are being allowed today.

Sorry if this is too long and fragmented because I can go on for hours on this topic but only have a few minutes to type....

EDIT: Sorry I sound like so much of an extremist because I actually am not but this is a very serious state of affairs. I am a patriot 110% of the us but I do not like our current direction.