Well time for my cents worth (or 2p if your english like me !) I am a occasional visitor of tyhe site but hang on the irc. Its a shame that the IRC is going but thanx JP for bringing it back on another server. black_death > Its a business they are bound to add things wether we like it or not. If you dont like it you dont have to come its your choice. I wish jupitermedia all the best with AO and i am sure that i will come back and see the changes (Must remember coding pages and chatting is not all that the internet is for !