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    Here is a good tutorial in pdf form for linux networking and has the info you wanted.
    http://www.comp.nus.edu.sg/~mksarav/...torial-0.1.pdf
    Ben Franklin said it best. \"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.\"

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    well i suggest you should just connect your windows box to the internet and then use it as a gateway for the second box.
    www.rootforge.com


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    I have a small connection between two computers at my home. I have only one computer but use a Nat Router which acts as the gateway for the computers. What everybody else is saying is right, you will need a router or at least use the internet connection sharing on Windows.

    If you use a router you'll have to plug your modem cable into the WAN port on your computer then plug the other computers into the other ports. Then use one of the computers to setup the router for your cable.

    Even if you only have one IP address it wouldn't matter with the router since that would be acting as the gateway.
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    you can also setup a home network using a hub instead of a switch or router.

    the difference is a hub is the cheapest, but least secure,it reads incoming data and broadcasts it to every computer on the network. a router reads destination ofincoming traffic and routes it to the computer that requested the data, and also has a firewall builtin.

    A switch is the most expensive of the three and unneccasary in that their are built for large corporate networks, it's like having your newspaper engraved an a silver platter.

    you also did not say if you are using premade or handclamped wires : those RJ-45 connectors can be a bitch to handle. did you test your cables with a cable tester?

    i hope this was some help.

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    you can also setup a home network using a hub instead of a switch or router.

    the difference is a hub is the cheapest, but least secure,it reads incoming data and broadcasts it to every computer on the network. a router reads destination ofincoming traffic and routes it to the computer that requested the data, and also has a firewall builtin.

    A switch is the most expensive of the three and unneccasary in that their are built for large corporate networks, it's like having your newspaper engraved an a silver platter.
    If you only have access to one IP address then you can't use a hub, unless you have a gateway computer using ICS or similar..

    Just to correct a few things in there..
    Routers are the most expensive.
    Hubs don't read data, they simply repeat what they hear on every other port.
    Switches work based on MAC addresses and will cut down on Collisions (when compared to a hub)
    Routers work with IP Addresses and are the only device (other than using a computer as a gateway) you can use in your home if you only have 1 IP Address to play with.

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    damnit i cant get both NIC's to register in red hat. hmmm

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    You can use both a hub and a switch as a connection to the net, but nither will work as required. The reason a router will work is its ability to clone or supply a MAC address, if you use a switch or a hub the connection will only work on the computor which has the correct mac address assinged to it. The introduction of a second computor to the hub/switch will make no differance, as the ISP will no connect to an unknown MAC address. I know my ISP allows me to switch MAC address through selfcare, but unless i pay for another IP address, I can only use a single MAC address at one time. if you have a way round this please tell me this could save me money.

    Costs;see for yourselfs
    10/100 duel speed 4 port hub $55.00
    10/100 5 port TX switch $59.00
    10/100 4 port cable router $96.00
    Im not trying to be cleaver, but this guy needs good information he doesant want to waste time. If im wrong im sorry, please dont flame me.

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    oddball, i don't know what you mean when you say your ISP only lets you have one MAC address connected to its service at a time. do you mean to say that only the first NIC that's ever touched that connected can use it unless you go and change the one you want to use? that sounds a little restrictive. and how would they be able to do that, anyway? use ARP to find the MAC address, then somehow only allow it to transmit data to that address? i don't know just how feasible that is....

    either way, mine is evidently not like that, as my NIC and router (obviously) have different MAC addresses, and i can use either to connect directly to my ISP box. i believe i have tried it with other computers in the past, too, but what you say is odd.
    i will shoot you so hard.

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    I did not mean to cause confusion but i have d-link catologe here that show switches at over $400.00 US. I may have misunderstood the type of switch he was talking about but we call a large box that connects up to 25 computers a switch: and a small one a router or hub. I am sorry to have caused a problem.

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    You are looking at two different things....

    Home users can buy 4 - 8 port hubs/switches/routers....
    I suppose you could buy a larger hub or switch, or a real router for your home.. but they are different.

    The names get confusing at times. Those switches are rather expensive when you get into real switches.. 24 port and such.... by D-Link, Nortel/Bay Networks, Cisco (Catalyst 1900 series for example)..... The average switch for a home user is made by 3com, D-Link, StarTech.. etc, they are 4 - 8 ports and not as extensive as the larger switches.

    Then you have routers with interfaces for ethernet, token ring, fddi, etc. These are what an ISP or large corporation would use... Like the Cisco 2500 series... Then there are routers for home users.. same principal, smaller/cheaper design... you have a wan or uplink ethernet port and then you have several other ports for your devices to connect to.

    I realize this isn't the greatest breakdown, but it hope it clarifies things for you slightly.

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