I relise that some of you , especaly the birts here fell that citizans should be subserviant to the goverment, and have no problem with police randomely stopeing and searching you to "keep yo safe" or detaining people for no reason with no public trials.I feel that the goverment should serve the people. A perfect example of the difrence here is "a clock work orange". There are two difrent endings to that book, in the british ending the main caricter is brainwashed by the goverment and turend into a "respectable", "productive" member of society, brits see this as his redemption and ultimate sucess. In the american version the brainwashing fails and he continues to be an indavidual, americans see this as his sucess.

personaly I would rather be free then live in a totlitarian stae.I guess this would make me closer to the palistinians and the IRA then the isralies and the brits, I have no problem with that. People who live in a society that is so numbe with fear (propagated by the goverment) and so content to do what their "rulers" tell them to are not something to aspire too. So they let you have a few more **** in england...I guess they figured out a way t okeep your mind numb.

Has the goverment infringed on our freedoms before...yes..and as informed citizans it is our job to call them on it and hold them accountable. You se in this country the polititions are supposed to serve us not the other way around.

As for freedoms being removed, well thats exactly what started this thread. Reporters being secratly threatend and illigaly harrased. If we lose freedom of the press we lose every thing. Do you think water gate would have been exposed if reporters where treated like this during nixons time? Face it the current govermnt in the US has no respect for its citizans or this countries long held traditions...its time that they where ousted.

Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
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There ya go.... Isn't that Constitution a wonderful thing..... Checks and balances..... <LOL>
I am assumeing the lol at the end was a laugh of sarcasim bucause you seem to support a administration that is trying to dismantal the constitution and remove all of the checks and balances?