Was Clinton a good president?

[paulie walnuts]

Muslim extremists might hate us now, but what do you think invading two Middle Eastern countries will do for our popularity in the Middle East? I am sure that extremist groups got a lot of new recruits the day we enter Afganistan and Iraq.

Look dude, if they are going to harbor terrorist then they will be invaded, simple as that.

A ton of good, but more bad.

That's just plain un-American dude!

As far as draft dodging goes, there are many people in government that have dodged the draft. (Not just Clinton)

Who cares, I was merely pointing out the facts dude. The Democrats are way too weak on National Security, if they want a chance at taking the White House they better shape up real soon, cause right now they don't have a chance in hell!

[bballad]

Originally posted here by paulie walnuts


Don't bother searching for specifics on the impeachment thing, there is no specific thing that can get one impeached. You only need like a 2/3 majority to impeach a president, if my memory serves me correctly that is. But Clinton did indeed dodge the draft, which is a fact.

Carful here, clinton didn't dodge the draft any more then bush junior did.

[paulie walnuts]

Carful here, clinton didn't dodge the draft any more then bush junior did.

Check again bballad.

[RoadClosed]

I am sure that extremist groups got a lot of new recruits the day we enter Afganistan and Iraq.

Hell yes they do. Unfortunately I think they are misguided but that is my opinion. They are like gangs who have something to offer to those with a limited scope on the world. But for every poor soul indoctrinated into violence there are teachers and school children and doctors and those who want a government that represents the people of Iraq who are also given the oportunity to do something out in the open and not under the thumb or a notorious political party and it's leaders. The one's who take the route of opression and attempt to rule a given territtory by violence and intimidation will be hunted and eliminated by US. Then by the Iraqi and the government it chooses to elect. I wonder if things would move further along in the process if UN didn't have it's headquarters blown up a few months ago and it's appointed leader, or man in charge, in Iraq wasn't killed. The've even begun killing their own brothers.

In those countries TV and media are completely controlled by a very small minority in power. In many cases absolutely no contact with the outside world is ever known to them. I am talking about the working class and the poor. The vast majority. Of course they hate us, we are a threat to a minority power base who will do anything to hold it. Talk about spin, read and Iranian newspaper sometime. By the way the have really chilled over the last year.

I talk to much, all I really wanted to say is for every radical hardcore terrorist murderer that is turned to kill the red cross and their neighbors for wanting freedom, there are dozens of moderate to conservative peace loving muslims who are FREE to go to school and read a newpaper not published by big brother and full of hate.

[CXGJarrod]

Originally posted here by paulie walnuts
[B]Look dude, if they are going to harbor terrorist then they will be invaded, simple as that.

So if our good pals Britian harbor terrorists we will invade them? What is the definition of harboring terrorists? This is just an excuse to take out governments. You can make a case that ANY nation harbors terrorists.

That's just plain un-American dude!

Hmmm... must of heard that from Bush too... Thats me the peace lovin terrorist who is against the USA. Bush would like us all to follow him and be "good little americans" who dont question the government or what it does. My personal view is that you should be able to voice your opinion without being called a terrorist or an anti-american person. Thinking is patriotic.

In those countries TV and media are completely controlled by a very small minority in power.

Same in the USA. 10 companies control most of the news.
http://www.thenation.com/special/bigten.html (Need flash to see this)

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I think if British citizens started boarding British Airways flights to America and the people got off the planes and then formed independent cells of people, who went into bus stations in the morning while patrons are eating donuts and sipping coffee and ignited the bombs strapped to their bodies, killing all those nice donut eating people while sending dangerous superheated Folgers flying among the innocents not caught in the blast. Then this happened again… and again until Bush or Gore, or Deen or Hilary has had quite enough. One of those people called Blair and asked him to do something and he said FARG off you American **** heads who sleep with the devil. I imagine we might just attack them and remove Blair and the forces that control the British Airway flying donut eating killer machines of Tony Blair. It could happen!

Of course the UN would ask Mr. Blair to stop it first. Then again in a year, then again in another year then again in a year after that and again, only in the 5th year they will really mean it, well in the 7th year they’ll really mean it and in the 8th your they will declare final compliance rules and not enforce them until the 10th year when they agree to another extension. Then finally we send in the whole deal and break out some stealth ass and tell the UN to stuff their red tape. But our only motivation is the North Sea Oil and the lovely girls from Brighton. The terrorists are forgotten because they have been nice for the last 6 months. “But they have been wonderful and nice for a little while” opponents will argue. But in the end we manage to topple the Evil Blair and his party of MP wannabes and we make new friends. Because: Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and Ireland all rejoice and dance merry in the streets. We get the oil to satisfy the greed of an international Triad of dreamed up vigilantes who over stuff their pockets and all is good in the world.

That is: until everyone gets extra jealous of the Dutch because they have all the real freedom and we don’t like it.

[bballad]

paulie walnuts: Clinton joind the reserves during Nam (navel if Iremember correctly) useing his families connections to stay out of the war. Bush joind the air national gaurd (which he went awol from) to avoid the war useing his families connections.....either they are both draft dodgers (along with most modern politicos) or nither is.

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That vietnam draft dodging crap doesn't matter. I mean come on, it was a time of turmoil in the country. Kids were scared of going over and it was popular to oppose the ware and try and escape that fate. If I am held accountable for crazy stuff when I am in college then god help me! Assuming I didn't commit some violent crime, put two people up together and if they match everything perfectly on all issues and ideals that I have, I may pick the one who servered in the military and I may not - the other guy might have a better personality? Republicans and Democrats both get hung up on the issue, if you start harping about that crap then you have lost contact with the issues or your just pulling bullets out of your ass to assult someone. The other Dems are trying to eat Deen alive for his draft issues. It's crazy.

If you make military service an issue go vote for Clark.