Breaking news: Saddam is captured

[scriptkiddie18]

wtf he killed a million people...how lol...
I know he tortured people in iraq and killed lots of 'em but how he kill that many...
was he responsible for 9/11 also?

[tonybradley]

George Bush will use Saddam's capture as justification for the war and as a publicity stunt - he's a politician and I'd expect nothing less of him. It allows him to please the pro-war people whilst having a dig at the people who opposed the war - a win-win situation.

I don't agree that its a "dig at the people who opposed the war". It is frustrating and infuriating that he would use it as justification, but in order to be a "dig" it would have to somehow validate his decisions - which it doesn't.

It isn't just the press that has latched on to the WMD- that is what they sold. That was their ace in the hole and the only justification they offered for invading a country unprovoked. They have tried to spin it every which way since then- its about freedom and democracy for Iraq, its about their (alleged) ties with Al Qaeda, its about his crimes against humanity- anything to make it about something other than the fabricated evidence they originally used to sell it (not that anyone bought, but they sold it that way and went forth under that guise even without support).

As for the troops who died (American, British, Polish and others), well that's part of the risk they take. Being in the army means that you have to be prepared to sacrifice your life for the freedom of innocent people, and if the government tells you to go to Iraq to fight Saddam, then that's what you do.

I served in the armed forces and I only partially agree with this. When you join you swear to uphold the Constitution and defend the United States. Attacking another nation unprovoked using fabricated evidence as justification doesn't really fall into those categories.

I'm just counting down the days until election day and keeping the faith that the American population isn't dumb enough to elect the bastard twice.

[Tedob1]

scriptkiddie its hard to understand being born in a free country but his methods were typical of military dictatorships of third world nations of the last century. (Which iraq was if you weren’t counted amoung the friends of saddam). If anyone disagreed or even appeared to disagree with him they'd be taken off to prison never to be seen again. Similar to the methods of Edi Ahmin, Manuel Noriaga and many others. Also typical of these methods is the complete denial of them by his supporters but the evidence is in plain sight.

Numerous mass graves have been dicovered there so far each containing thousands of bodies. A warehouse was found when we first moved into iraq, filled with bodies in wooden boxes marked for id and records of these “political prisoners”.

he systematically tried to eliminate the kurds he openly rewarded the families of suicide bombers gave support and refuge to terrorist groups. This list can go on and on but I hope you get the point.

It’s a pity they took saddam alive because im sure his supporter will harm many and try to take the world hostage to get him released.

[/|Glacier|\]

Originally posted here by MsMittens
Yup.. but still doesn't prove weapons of mass destruction. Just means he'll (hopefully) go on trial for crimes against humanity. (which should have happened in 1991)

You really think we are not going to stick a needle in his arm with a little bit of CIA juice to get him to tell us where these weapons are ....................come on Liberals need to come out of there bubble.
Economy is back+Saddam=bush 2004 through 2008
So all the dems sit back keep your mouth shut and watch the show.
The weapons will be uncovered. "Make no mistake about it."
And if you dont support the war on terror(Iraq) you are a terrorist.
You are either for us or against us.

Here is what was known by 2000 based on Iraq's own records. Recoverd by taskforce rangers in raids :

* That in the years immediately prior to the first Gulf War, Iraq produced at least 3.9 tons of VX, a deadly nerve gas, and acquired 805 tons of precursor ingredients for the production of more VX.

* That Iraq had produced or imported some 4,000 tons of ingredients to produce other types of poison gas.

* That Iraq had produced 8,500 liters of anthrax.

* That Iraq had produced 500 bombs fitted with parachutes for the purpose of delivering poison gas or germ payloads.

* That Iraq had produced 550 artillery shells filled with mustard gas.

* That Iraq had produced or imported 107,500 casings for chemical weapons.

* That Iraq had produced at least 157 aerial bombs filled with germ agents.

* That Iraq had produced 25 missile warheads containing germ agents (anthrax, aflatoxin, and botulinum).
Source: CNN International June 2003

[Cope57]

They should let Saddam walk the streets of Bagdad, weaponless. Just so the Iraqi people can "greet" him.

[Tedob1]

"* That Iraq had produced or imported some 4,000 tons of ingredients to produce other types of poison gas."

/|Glacier|\ dont you know these are the same ingredients as those used in peticide...used to protect iraq's vast farming industry lol

Even though ill vote for him, it’ll only be because of his foreign policy and his willingness to stand up to the UN and tell the world court to F_word (sorry but its used as a verb) off which is more than his wimp-ass opponents would have done. internally his policy sucks after all he’s still a republican which is nothing more than a democrat with an attitude.

[tonybradley]

My own theory is that much of the reason that we *know* that Iraq had these things but failed to provide any actual evidence of the fact is that the evidence would implicate us. The United States made Saddam- we trained him, funded him, supplied him with weapons- all because we hated him less than we hated Iran and figured we'd let them kill each other. Our "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" alliance strategy has failed time and time again.

The other part of my belief is that I don't trust half of the "evidence" the United States had before the attack and NONE of what they have or haven't discovered since the attack. I wouldn't put it past the regime to import their own WMD just to "prove" their case and save face with the world.

Economy is back+Saddam=bush 2004 through 2008

IF the economy were back that might be true. The economy is not back. We have record unemployment and the largest deficit budget in history. Bush has done the opposite of pretty much everything he promised (typical politician) fiscally.

Bush Sr. made the mistake of letting the economy and domestic policy go to hell while trying to ride the coat tails of Iraq to a second-term. So far, it seems GW plans to do the same and probably with the same results. The people care more about economic stability and jobs than whether or not the Iraqi peope have a free and democratic society and they will let GW know that on election day.

[Ennis]

Originally posted here by /|Glacier|\

And if you dont support the war on terror(Iraq) you are a terrorist.
You are either for us or against us

That is a disgusting attack on your fellow countrymen.

[MrLinus]

For those interested, the blog Salam Pax/Where is Raed brings an interesting view from Iraq. It hasn't been updated to reflect Saddam's capture, it might be interesting to read when it does.

And if you dont support the war on terror(Iraq) you are a terrorist.
You are either for us or against us.

There I would disagree with you. As a citizen with the right to voice an opinion, I am merely being what I have the right to: a free citizen. You don't have to agree with me. I didn't agree with the US supporting Saddam for all those years during the Iran-Iraq war. Try taking a read at A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide (it won the Pulitzer Prize in 2003). America willfully and with great pride helped build up the chemical weapons that were stored on Iraqi soil in an attempt to stop the zealous Ayatollah Komeini because he didn't favour the US and if he retained control of the oil, it would mean soaring prices at the gas pumps in the US. Reagan started all of this.

I am many things but a terrorist no. I do not inflict terror on my citizens, making them afraid to speak their minds even if they disagree with me. I would challenge you as being that. You suggest that no one should be allow to challenge the present US gov't. I think the last time I saw something like that it was in 1984 or Animal Farm. I guess some pigs are more "equal" than others eh?

[Agent_Steal]

No offence tonybradley but if you believe everything that the media throws at you then it's the equivalent of living in a fairy tell world. If you haven't noticed the media has ways of manipulating things and making you believe things that aren't not true.

In my personal point of view Saddam has had plenty of time to stop the things that he has been doing. But did he ? Of course not cause he didn't care. It was time to remove him.

Was is your definition of a "Weapon of Mass Destruction" ?

For a lot of you it's easy to critizice a politician. I wonder why that is. Have you ever wonder how hard it is for a president to run a country and to try and please everyone at the same in the process. Next time take a little bit of time to think how hard his job is.