With all of this stuff about obsoleteism (is that a word? lol) I completely overlooked stevemilner's last post... I think he brings in another argument viable to this thread. At this point in time we do not have a lot to lose in trying to adopt *nix into our networks, I am considering using IRIX for my DNS servers and Solaris for authentication, my WIN2K Server boxes are secure enough, just not reliable. I have to keep bouncing them or my entire network eventually goes sour and then my phone starts doing its thing. I have to do this at least once a week. I do not think I will ever adopt WIN2K3, I am not going to "pay" again for something that was inadequite the first time I paid for it.