I've just found this thread ? does the fact that it is getting on a bit detract from the fact that it IS still relavent ? I am fairly safe in saying that I have knowledge beyond that given, but we all had to start somewhere !!! for me somewhere was a state of the art 486DX2 66MHz beastie, with a whole 300 MB on the hard drive, and a whopping 16 MB of RAM, running that devil's brew of an OS W3.11 !!!!!!