lumpy, the Patriot Act II was never passed I don't trust underpaid websites, especially when much more commonly used websites (slashdot) never mention anything of the sort. And we should all know how ever bit of news hits slashdot with full force.

Then again, I could be mistaken and you may be posting this in reference to something else, but I feel it is intended to try and prove Patriot Act II is in place. If needed, I will more than happily obtain the nessessary links to prove that it is in fact still under heavy rewrite, and nowhere near release, from sources well known and trusted.

While I understand many have finally accepted that, it would seem it has been ignored completely and discussion is still going on about how "anti-goverment" the people at AO are. While that is fine, perhaps we could move it to a new thread? Currently, hosting a different conversation in a false thread (patriot act II being released) only has other natrually question the conversation that takes place on the side, as being valid or tinfoil hatted.

No offence intended, but it you may get more/better responces if you took it to a new thread. Perhaps one entitled "Flaws of the government"?