MsMittens

And what if they lead to poor security? Whether it will or not, or whether their default security can make up for it in the future... is not for us to decide.

Microsoft will handle their own affairs. And if someone is out of line in the PR with that statement, Microsoft will certainly step in. They did it when ME was released early. They did it when a similar statement was said about 98 SE. Microsoft has a good understanding of PR, I feel, but there are just a few idiots they have hired that never seem to catch on. Errored in life to repeat the mistakes of the people they replaced in the corporation, these people will continue to give Microsoft PR a bad name.

So yes I agree, it was a dumb thing to say. But what about it? What can we do about it, or worry about? Let Microsoft handle it, which will result I'm sure in someone going home with a pink slip

tabich

You are correct, I did not read the whitepaper. I do not need to read the whitepaper to know that turning something off which is on by default means more work for me.
Then don't moan and complain when someone says RTFM to your questions.

I am a network admin, and my network works just fine thank you very much. No issues here with ANY worm or virus or hacks in 5 years. My not liking the idea of a builtin windows firewall means nothing about my abilities as a network admin. I can easily understand the added controll this MAY enable, forgive me for being skeptical, not bothering to read a microsoft whitepaper telling me how wonderfull microsofts latest feature is. I am not a fanboi. I will wait to see how it really performs before making a judgement, I was merely asking some questions of others here who had more information, such as yourself, you HAVE used it you say? Attacking someone(i.e. calling into question their abilities) for asking legitimate questions(i.e. calling into question their abilities), which I did, and backing them up with examples, which I did, well .... how much is MS paying you?
If your network is perfect, then why come and complain about SP2? Since you said yourself your network is perfect, you shouldn't need to even worry thinking about SP2.

Intelligent network design, policy and user education have served us very well for years now, without any HELP from a builtin microsoft firewall.
So because everything is perfect, you won't accept a secondary layer of protection? That doesn't make any sense. Well it does, but you never read the whitepaper.

All the builtin firewall will do for us(except possibly laptops) is break things which work well and securely now. It took lots of tweaking to get everything locked down yet still working adding this new complexity will certainly cause problems.
So turn it off. Or read the white paper.

I have seen your, all losers should upgrade to the absolute latest blahblahblah post, you need to keep in mind that many organizations have to meet requirements for certain aspects of their operation. Those requirements often have certain requirements for what system they run on, this prevents accross the board upgrades whene...
You say the same things over and over. If you don't want SP2. Don't get SP2. IF you want the enhacements of SP2 (RTFM) then use SP2. It's that simple. No one is forcing SP2 down your throat, and I don't think you are grasping how important that white paper is

You either need to read the whitepaper to see what the fuss is about, or continue to make uninformed descisions.