Election - Bush vs Kerry

[sysmin770]

*Kerry's campaign is based around the fact that "I'm not Bush, so vote for me".

pwaring,
Even if that was right, that is enough for me. As a veteran who has been deployed overseas, I am tired of having my freedoms imposed upon by bullsh*t legislation that does nothing. Bush is using 9/11 as a crutch. As someone in the IT field I am also very disturbed at his position on offshore outsourcing, which he is very much in favor of by the way.

At least Kerry's campain makes good points on things that matter to me. My freedom and my job.

Don't forget one of the founding fathers of our contry Ben Franklin once said, "Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither." or something to that effect. I think in the midst of all the tradgedy we have forgotten who we really are, and where we came from and that is a tradgedy in itself.

[djscribble]

Originally posted here by OverdueSpy
Not trying to hijack your thread here. Just thought it would be appropriate to try and find out what the issues are that influence an individuals decision to vote for one party or another, or "Mickey Mouse" as the case may be.

it isn't my thready -- i just couldn't sleep last night so i posted a couple of times -- and i think that was what i was trying to get at, but through my insomniac haze, I couldn't get my thoughts out

[OverdueSpy]

Originally posted here by sysmin770
*At least Kerry's campain makes good points on things that matter to me. My freedom and my job.

I think you need to go to FATCHECK on this one.
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=168

Additionally I found this excerpt on many websites. Unfortunately I do not subscribe to the Wall Street Journal, so I cannot pull up the actual article.

“Supports” American Businesses Taking Jobs Overseas. “Benedict Arnold does not refer to somebody who in the normal course of business is going to go overseas and take jobs overseas. That happens. I support that. I understand that.” (Jerry Seib, John Harwood and Jacob Schlesinger, “Excerpts From An Interview With John Kerry,” The Wall Street Journal, 5/3/04)


In December 2003, Kerry Recognized You Can’t “Just Stop” Outsourcing. “Well, any candidate for president who stands up and tells people, as some are, that they’re going to just stop [outsourcing] by getting tough on trade or whatever, is lying to the American people. Outsourcing is particularly painful at this moment because we haven’t been creating jobs, and we haven’t been creating jobs to some measure because of the overhang of the 1990s, the excess capacity that we were left with and the need to sort of burn it up.” (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At Council On Foreign Relations, New York, NY, http://www.cfr.org/campaign2004/pub6...gn_policy.php, 12/3/03)

[HackQuest]

If djscribble is serious about voting for a socialist, I think that Kerry is the candidate for you. His proposed tax increases and entitlement increases are so close to the "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs" mantra put for by Marx that it is sKerry.

Do I like Bush and his police-state policies? No, I don't. But Kerry scares me. He has not said anything about turning back any of the security policies/invasion of privacy issues that most of dislike, but he has promised to take more money out of individuals' pockets and increase government spending significantly. He changing his positions based on who he's speaking to, which makes me real nervous. If he can't take a consistent position during campaigning, how are we to know what to expect when he gets in office?

It seem most of Kerry's support come from people that hate Bush, for whatever reason (and I don't mean I don't understand the reason, I mean that there are multiple reasons). I think that voting against one candidate is the wrong way to decide the president of the US. If you don't like Bush, vote for Nader or the Libertarian Candidate or any other candidate on your ballot that closest matches what you believe in. If we all just vote for the lesser of two evils to keep from "throwing away" our vote, we're going to keep being presented with two evils to vote for.

HQ

[RebelToTheEnd]

The general public does not know the truth. The general public is a slave to sensational media garbage. The truth is that Bush does what he has to do for our country. Speaking with military background and exposure to the truth enlightens me to know only one candidate for the presidency: G. W. Bush. Example: Compare what G. W. Bush has said he is going to do, to what Kerry says he is going to do. Kerry says one thing then changes his mind and says the complete opposite. Kerry said, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it." What in the world, would anyone believe this person? I for one am extremely happy with my tax break that Bush has given me, and I do NOT want Kerry to raise them, as he has already claimed he will do once in office. Plus all they do is "Bush bashing". All I can say is, Kerry tell me some ideas and stop telling me how "bad" Bush is, so I can make a judgment on why you'd be a good canidate for president. Since it's all about Kerry's Vietnam record, I cannot vote for him. I don't care about his war record, it does nothing for this economy!!!!!!

[AngelicKnight]

Same here, I will be really worried about my pocketbook if Kerry wins, which is another major reason I'm not voting for him. I can't afford him hiking up taxes, and people like me prove tax breaks aren't just for the rich. I'm anything but...

[Negative]

Originally posted by RebelToTheEnd
Kerry says one thing then changes his mind and says the complete opposite. Kerry said, "I actually did vote for the $87 billion, before I voted against it." What in the world, would anyone believe this person?

In 2002, Kerry voted for giving Bush the authority to use military force against Iraq at his own discretion. What he voted against is the $87 billion needed by Bush (Kerry wanted the $87 billion to come from roll backs on Bush tax cuts for $400,000+ incomes.... the idea was rejected) There's a huge difference between those two.

Use military force at his own discretion, not spend $87 billion tax-dollars on it.
That'd be like me telling you you can use your own bed to sleep in or to do whatever you want to do in. And then you saying "OK, but I'm going to need a million dollars to do what I want to do in my bed".

[The Grunt]

That'd be like me telling you you can use your own bed to sleep in or to do whatever you want to do in. And then you saying "OK, but I'm going to need a million dollars to do what I want to do in my bed".

Ewwwww Those of us with dirty minds took that the wrong way. That is one hell of an expensive prostitute. LOL. I don't like that analogy. Lets go with a computer related one.

You can use your own computer or do whatever and stuff, but you respond saying I need $500 to do that, and then I say WTF go back to bed.

[Negative]

Bed... prostitute... computer... as long as you get the point
And that's exactly the point, The Grunt.

I always tend to give examples that are taken the wrong way

[RoadClosed]

Perhaps Kerry should have made a better postition, It's the quote that is funny.