Homosexuality: a choice or a gene?

[Tiger Shark]

I avoided this thread simply because the title was illogical.....

No-one can say for sure that it's genetic or environmental....

But there is a _fact_ here... Homosexuals exist....

What makes it too hard to live with that fact.... They aren't harming you, they aren't invading on your life or lifestyle..... So where is the problem?

[Ducking and Weaving]

[AngelicKnight]

I don't know...as long as there's no harming/invading, I'm not all that concerned either. I'll tell you my opinion of it if the question arises, but that's about it.

[OverdueSpy]

So basically what alot of people are saying here, is that it is fine to break the law as long as you can blame your breaking the law on somone else or on some other thing.

Lets see...excuses for breaking the law..at least some that I have heard over the years where our court systems have let people skate away with little or no penalty.

1. It's Genetic. MY fathere did it ,and his father did it, and I do it..Plus I didn't hurt the sheep.
2. I was physically abused by my father.
3. I was mentally abused by my mother.
4. I was sexually abused by my uncle.
5. Everyone else was rioting too.
6. I needed it worse than they did, and they could afford it.
7. I was sleepwalking when I killed em.
8. It was an instant crime of passion.
9. My client has multiple personalities.
10. I thought that guy in the orange jumpsuit was a deer.

Oddly enough, I don't think that the defense of "God told me to do it." has worked unless it was in conjunction with an insanity plea. Just my observations and recollections.

[AngelicKnight]

Well, I'm going to switch sides and play devil's advocate momentarily.

The counterpoint would be that your point is irrelevant because homosexuality is far from illegal. Furthermore, they'd probably argue that you are not born with the tendancy to commit these crimes, while you are born homosexual.

So, I presume, that would be the common argument against your points. So that's what I would say if I were them.

[OverdueSpy]

True enough Angelic - I should have differentiated between God's law and Man's law, thereby clarifying my position. But then we get back into the debate of "prove there is a God," which will get us no-where quick.

However, I thought that homosexuality was illegal in most states, prior to the 1950's. Don't know that for a fact though.

[Tiger Shark]

Overdue... Prove the existence of your god and then, maybe, his/her laws might become applicable.... Until you can _prove_ the existence of your god, or any other, your argument about his/her "laws" are moot.....

[RoadClosed]

Sodomy is illegal in some states, coutries, towns etc. As is adultery, fornication without marriage etc. Old laws. Personally I love a good bit of sodamy once in a while. I bet gays get it MUCH more frequently than us heterosexuals. For that I am envious.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a few masterbation laws on books as well. The radical Christian view is to ignore sexuallity and contemplate such as a hell worthy sin. Regardless of sexual orientation.

[Donkey Punch]

Wouldn't be surprised to see a few masterbation laws on books as well. The radical Christian view is to ignore sexuallity and contemplate such as a hell worthy sin. Regardless of sexual orientation.

I think I found somebody that actually mastrubates more than me.

[JP]

Greetings:

Originally posted here by OverdueSpy
Lets see...excuses for breaking the law..at least some that I have heard over the years where our court systems have let people skate away with little or no penalty.

It is not now, nor has it EVER been illegal to be a homosexual in the United States of American. It HAS been illegal to engage in sodomy, however. It was a law passed by radical Christian conservatives that think orgasms are sinful. So be it, it was a stupid law, and it has since been thrown off the books, never to return again (due to a constitutionality ruling by the US Supreme Court).

Originally posted here by OverdueSpy
True enough Angelic - I should have differentiated between God's law and Man's law, thereby clarifying my position.

I really hope you're not referring to "laws" that "god" commanded in the Christian bible? His laws were even more messed up than man's laws. Stone your kids to death if they misbehave, stone a woman to death if she has a kid out of marriage (of course nothing is to be done to the man in such a case), killing the first born children of Egyptians because of evils their parents supposedly did (imagine being executed for a crime your parents did?) etc. etc. etc. If that ridiculous old book really is the "divine word" of the "Christian god", then this "Christian god" of yours is really messed up in the head and I'd want nothing to do with the sadistic SOB.

[zaggy]

Originally posted here by OverdueSpy

However, I thought that homosexuality was illegal in most states, prior to the 1950's. Don't know that for a fact though.

Even if homosexuality was illegal prior to the 1950's, that would not substatiate your argument as it is far past the 1950's. As I stated before I can't imagine that anyone would choose to put up with the incredible amount of prejudice that comes from being homosexual. I believe you can no more choose your sexual oreintation than you can the parents that gave birth to you. You don't have to like either situation but you can't do a damn thing about it. It is far better to live and learn to enjoy what your life holds than to try and change the things you can't .