Could my ISP be upto something...

[nihil]

"Methinks the byatch protests too loudly?"

I think that the ISP is perfectly OK

This self-proclaimed "security guru" abuses the system...............some of the people obviously have competent IT Departments, who have reported the abuse............ISP is now on its case is it not?

985 Pennysylvania Avenue is the next step

There's always another ISP out there to use though. I pay for my service and as a customer there's various things I expect from them as a business. An attempt to tag me so that my

You sanctimonious little craphead.................you are doing this for money..............so you say yes but how?................I do not like social engineering...........are you "really" employed by a truly legitimate organisation.............now your organisation does not hide..............so just get them to e-mail me and I will run them past my old friends in the IRS. (e-mail is part of the site functions). They can arrange things, be sure.........

"I wrote a spider"...................case proven! you sad little b*****d, you cannot accept that you are NOT "uber 1337" you are just a bloody mule

If I am proven wrong, I will gladly apologise...............somehow I doubt that will be required


You do not contribute to the site so why should we care?

My £2.00

EDIT: I did not see this one:

I started this thread with the idea that people would post ideas / suggestions about what my isp is doing with regards the proxy thing...Instead it turned into a 'lets dog-on on neptune for mismanagment of his IP' thread...Not what I'm interested in...I may be in the wrong...But thats irrelevant...Please only post if you have suggestions for what my ISP may be doing to make my sessions thru anonymous proxies not anonymous...

I am overawed by the personal and intellectual humility of this gentleman, as I am sure that you all are......

I rest my case

[ss2chef]

Originally posted here by Neptune0z
I started this thread with the idea that people would post ideas / suggestions about what my isp is doing with regards the proxy thing...Instead it turned into a 'lets dog-on on neptune for mismanagment of his IP' thread...Not what I'm interested in...I may be in the wrong...But thats irrelevant...Please only post if you have suggestions for what my ISP may be doing to make my sessions thru anonymous proxies not anonymous...

Don't forget it was you that added more to your original post about mass emailing and having privacy issues. My ESP is broken and didn't have a way to know you wanted to limit the discussion to technical issues only.

You forgot to tell us 1st what process you use to determine that proxy requests are not working properly for you. Tell us more about your configuration. Which ISP do you use? Can you determine if your ISP is or isn't adding it's own caching or proxy appliance which may be mangling your packets?
Did you try to sign up with a 2nd account to see if it's account specific? How about dialing from a second or third location using several accounts. Same problem?

[spazzmatrix]

It seams like every time I come back to ol' AO someone is pulling this type of scam.

First off Neptune0z seeing that you have posted your complaints on this website first and not with your ISP shows that you in fact Do NOT work for any auditing company.

Second I personally know two gentlemen who do auditing for banks. Both have equipment provided by the bank, and use connections paid for by the bank.

An audit does not have to be done from a remote connection, in fact most places will test inside out, making sure their internal network is the safest.

Lastly I would suggest that if you are having problems with your ISP, that instead of wasting these peoples time you make a simple phone call to either your employer and explain your issue so they can get you a un-restricted connection. Or you phone your ISP and speak with someone who can actually DO something for you.

The answers you are looking for have been givin. I think your looking more for us to follow your views and agree that what you are doing is right. Your ISP acted as any ISP should. If I seen you on my network/ISP doing anything similar I would have simply black listed you.

I would not push the issue futher if you are not in fact employed by some company to do what you say. ISP's have logs of EVERYTHING, and many have no issue with providing them to a lawyer.

Take everyones advice and leave the board untill you have something more constructive to add.

[Tedob1]

Originally posted here by Neptune0z
I started this thread with the idea that people would post ideas / suggestions about what my isp is doing with regards the proxy thing...Instead it turned into a 'lets dog-on on neptune for mismanagment of his IP' thread...Not what I'm interested in...I may be in the wrong...But thats irrelevant...Please only post if you have suggestions for what my ISP may be doing to make my sessions thru anonymous proxies not anonymous...

sorry im not complying with your request for info and im really not dogging on you, but ask your self why your service has not been suspended. ISP's are in it for the money as everyone with a biz is. you break the rules, they kick you off. anything else cuts into profit. saying the patriot act is unfair is like saying death is unfair. the fact is they both exist...period. im not saying this is right, im only saying that it is.

if what your reporting here is accurate (which i believe it is) then you can bet your sweet ass its not your isp doing it. and if you find out how to get around this "proxy thing" it wont change anything. tell you isp what your doing, war drive, or hook a laptop up to an abandoned cross-over panel with a phony ppp account but as it is now there is nothing anonymous about anything your doing.


spazzmatrix i know personally of a consulting firm (very well established in the NY, nj area) that does not use "provided accounts" and tests the external interface from the outside. i dont know of any way to get a reliable report otherwise.

[OldRedFox]

"There's always another ISP out there to use though. I pay for my service and as a customer there's various things I expect from them as a business."

Ok, but they have the right to expect a few things from you as well, the core of which is in the AUP, which you seem to feel is only an option. It ain't. You entered into a business relationship with your ISP, a relationship that you both entered into freely and can both exit freely. A relationship with rules which you broke first. Some fairly kind folks here have suggested ways for you to deal with this problem - getting a hold of your ISP to explain the situation, using a work-provided ISP - but these are only workarounds for a problem you created yourself.


"I may be in the wrong...But thats irrelevant"

No, it's not. You have asked for help and if you are wrong it is certainly not our fault if we point that out. After all you asked for the help!

"Please only post if you have suggestions for what my ISP may be doing to make my sessions thru anonymous proxies not anonymous"

Before anyone can deal effectively with the technical issues you are raising you need to deal with the ethical issues about your actions that your question raises.

"The internet was founded on anonimity. "

No, it was not. It was founded to allow government and research universities to communicate on cold war research. It was also designed to withstand atomic warfare and so included protocols to allow a message to be divided into small pieces that could, each, take a unique path to the destination in case of damage to the infrastructure. This design spec eventually led to ways to anonymize communications, but anonimity was not an original design spec of the internet - quite the opposite. The internet was designed to be a secure communications layer that included only known and trusted communicators.

Todd

[Cybr1d]

Somehow I think that you just downloaded something like Retina or SSS and are screwing around with them....you're using a proxy because you think somehow its gonna trace back to you...You did too many audits in your network so your ISP is getting suspicious and now you're blaming them?

Thats the way I see it...

Good Night.

BTW what Auditing firm do u work for? You dont have to tell me, but I would like to know if that firm allows employees to scan others from their own house...what are their policies...that is if you really work for an auditing firm. Other than that...this whole thread smells like rotten fish...

[CybertecOne]

Id would have to agree with cybr1d....

When you got really defensive about us not answering your question;

I started this thread with the idea that people would post ideas / suggestions about what my isp is doing with regards the proxy thing...Instead it turned into a 'lets dog-on on neptune for mismanagment of his IP' thread...Not what I'm interested in...I may be in the wrong...But thats irrelevant...Please only post if you have suggestions for what my ISP may be doing to make my sessions thru anonymous proxies not anonymous...

that set off my defenses and it just seemed to me you really are upto malicious purposes and that you were lying to us. i mean, we are taking exactly the same stace as your ISP, so maybe you really are the one at fault here... sorry but it just looks that way.

things would be alot easier as weve all said if you just fess up to your ISP and get it cleared.... of course you cant do that if what youve been saying is a load of BS...


CTO

[JoeMacDaddy]

Most ISPs will not monitor and redirect your traffic unless they are ordered to by law enforcement for the collection of evidence. If you break their AUP, they disconnect service. You need to contact them and go over your agreement with them. They will not be able to tell you if law enforcement is monitoring you. Being on the up and up is the best and if this is your profession, they may want to have you subcribe to a business level account and have backup from your company. Of course they could choose to discontinue your service. Good luck.

[spamdies]

you know... im not gonna rag on you but there are all kinds of proxys... have you verified that the proxies your using are buisness class aka elite proxies???? hmmm... probly not because that is how i have seen them classified when they do not leak the isp info, sort of like what your describing... btw the buisness class proxies usually still store your info in a log that can be traced
ISP's that handle large amounts of network traffic have to be aware of whats happing on their network... if you piss them off by doing something that violates your aup, your gonna know, your service will stop working entirely... you violate some laws on the other hand your service wont stop, but it wont just be your isp watching your traffic... again

[Neptune0z]

Ya I verified that the proxies were anonymous by chaining them to a server that I had a sniffer running on, so I could monitor the requests sent thru the proxy's. All IP header info was either stripped or completely replaced by garbage in all the one's I tested, so I know their legit 'good 'ol proxies. Really in my mind, this leaves only one possibility...The referer fields and proxy wrappers are being stripped from my requests before they leave my ISP. The data is then retrieved directly from one of my ISP's gateways. I know this because I've used site's like www.whatismyip.com as end points for the proxy requests, and they point right back to my ISP. Now that I have all the logs and data proving what I know, it's time to go to my ISP. What leads me to believe it's my ISP and not some 'big brother' system tied into their network is the fact I know the man is smarter then that...They get the data directly from the backbones of the 'net. The stuff that ISP's don't even have real access to. The reasoning behind making my anon. proxy connections not anonomous is the fact that they think I am hacker, and they want to make sure I'm not using the proxy's to jump back into their network to do malicious things. I had my work and some of the companies I audit fax my ISP this morning with my info and work requests. I'm gonna to talk to someone about this later today, and will post about it on this thread. I have gotten a lot of 's*i* about this thread from people, and honestly I could care less...I posted it because I thought some of you might find it interesting and not for anything else. I asked for advice and methologies on what might be going on, Instead for the most part I got the third-degree from people. Read my posts, I have never downed on anybody...nihil thought it was a good idea to take like 40 of my antipoints, for what reason I do not know. I could care less about antipoints (Take 'em all nihil) or making friends, I'm here to learn. Oh, well I solved the problem on my own, and I will post one more time in this thread and wont be responding to msgs about this subject anymore. To the people who were decent thank you...To the people who were not, thank you...I know whats what and who's who now...Later...