tracing cellphones/internet connections?

[nihil]

what if ur connecting to your isp from a hotel or something? does the isp know where its connection going to or does it only know that that account is registered to a certain address?

Yes, the ISP knows your address (IP address, as they give them to you) They will know the telephone number you have used to connect. ..............that will lead to the hotel. The link that has to be made is between your your account and you..............but the hardware side is pretty clear cut.

However, say you get a laptop, wireless and a scanner...................go find yourself a nice open wireless setup............then hide in the bushes or whatever...............(watch out for randy feral tom cats)

All that will lead to is the physical location of the unprotected wireless network..............if you hacked their facilities you would be connecting as them, not you?

Hell, I could wander up town to my local railway station and use their FREE wireless connection..........it would only place me somewhere near the railway station? Remember, I have already set up a fake ISP account...........

There are members on this site who will confirm that I have an account in downtown Hanoi...........yes that is North Vietnam..............FEDs would get a lot of help from them huh?

Well if I am exchanging virus samples I sure as hell don't want an accident on my regular ISP's servers?

Please just trust me when I say that if THEY want you they will get you...............just don't give them the motive?

[slinky2004]

what about a broadband connection? say you sneak your cable modem into a hotel and set connect to your regular account?(assuming that the hotel is setup for broadband) can they trace that?

[littlenick]

there is a third world take a look at that world ..........

In some countries 70% of internet connections(cable)are illegal by illegal i mean not having there address associated with any global ip address(basically accessing internet through a LAN)
so ????
how would u actually go on to trace a IP address???
at best u can get the gateway's IP address right????
then from there u have to go to that city contact LAN administrator and see if u can figure out anything i am not sure if anyone can procede any further from there.........
i think there is a need for a new cyber treaty among all the countries banning these type of non tax paid internet connection and taking strict measures to insure that each and every IP address can be mapped with in seconds.....

it is not difficult to achieve just takes the determination nothing else.............
if u have a global cyber treaty then pplz like osama bin laden (or supporters) wil think twice before using emails...

[jinxy]

Bollox, i tried to neg this thread and ended up giving poses to it. Doh.

[axio]

About tracing the phones, it is possible if you have enough towers nearby to get a rough location. But even if phone companies are set up and ready to let some agency use their system this way they would have to get warrents and it would take time, etc.

[nihil]

what about a broadband connection? say you sneak your cable modem into a hotel and set connect to your regular account?(assuming that the hotel is setup for broadband) can they trace that?

Broadband is easier than most..............you are a prime customer............

I am not sure about where you are, but I use BT in the United Kingdom..................it will only work from my home phone line, so I cannot transport it. I have a 56.6 service that I can log into from any telephone in the UK at least, and probably the European Union (but I have not tried that yet)

Jinxy.............I feel that it is our duty to point out to "enthusiasts", "trainspotters" or whatever you like to call them, that they will get caught if they become annoying enough?

There are those who may say "Johnno, you shouldn't have told them that...." OK............print out what I have posted, and follow the instructions?...,,errr, there aren't any are there...........I have only discussed concepts and principles, not details?

If anyone really wants to remain anonymous, might I suggest that you go to the boys' room, look in the mirror, pop your zits, and ask who in hell would be interested in your miserable existence..........then go seek professional help.

Real criminals don't come to AO for advice

say you sneak your cable modem into a hote

The only thing I have ever snuck into a hotel was a woman!!!!!!!but I am a heterosexual pervert, I must admit

[slinky2004]

my broadband is thru the cable lines, cant i use that anywhere that has cable lines that can be used for broadband?

btw: i'm not a criminal, this whole thread was started based on some questions i had about a movie(apparently a very stupid movie)

[nihil]

Slinky,

I don't think you are a "criminal" your question was more along the lines of "fact or fiction"

As for broadband, I don't know what it is like where you are. Over here, cable is fixed to a physical (building) address and also tends to have a fixed IP address..................that makes physical tracing easier.

[XPGOD]

Originally posted here by ©opy®ight
First off: The movie sucks !

Second: You can trace an IP but you'll most likely get the ISP's address since the connection goes through them, if you contact them they're not gonna you anybody address, they can give the police the address in an instant since they have all your personal info and they're the ones assigning you an IP in the first place.

WRONG. The DHCP is setup with software like "NetStorm" or the likes. This software is like a database and thus holds info such as "are you current on payments", or "WHERE do you live".

Because of this a rule implemented by the FCC on GPS info, this binds it down to addy of the house in question. So, if someone is being "questioned" on their IP usage, it will trace back to the "account holder" address. As you know, the account holder MUST live and reside at that house. I will give you an example.

www.foxnews.com's IP address is 63.209.52.94...below is the "Whois"

OrgName: Level 3 Communications, Inc.
OrgID: LVLT
Address: 1025 Eldorado Blvd.
City: Broomfield
StateProv: CO
PostalCode: 80021
Country: US
NetRange: 63.208.0.0 - 63.215.255.255
CIDR: 63.208.0.0/13
NetName: LEVEL4-CIDR
NetHandle: NET-63-208-0-0-1
Parent: NET-63-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.LEVEL3.NET
NameServer: NS2.LEVEL3.NET
Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE
RegDate: 1999-05-28
Updated: 2001-05-30

TechHandle: LC-ORG-ARIN
TechName: level Communications
TechPhone: +1-877-453-8353
TechEmail:

OrgAbuseHandle: APL8-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse POC LVLT
OrgAbusePhone: +1-877-453-8353
OrgAbuseEmail:

OrgTechHandle: TPL1-ARIN
OrgTechName: Tech POC LVLT
OrgTechPhone: +1-877-453-8353
OrgTechEmail:

OrgTechHandle: ARINC4-ARIN
OrgTechName: ARIN Contact
OrgTechPhone: +1-800-436-8489
OrgTechEmail:

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-11-27 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

domain name cannot be resolved.



Note the BOLD text, that is well, the Backbone they use, and are probably going through a HUGE datacenter with a DS3 connection. But......

The physical server is located in Plano, TX. on the "southeast side of town" so to speak.

Trust me when I say that doing this test to myself, that it is EXACT. Lat, and Long. are right on. Canada does not follow the US rules, as well as other countries, so this is sorta difficult to pinpoint when doing. But, you should NEVER use that information for bad.... remember, everything has a trail.

XPGOD

[MrLinus]

Because of this a rule implemented by the FCC on GPS info, this binds it down to addy of the house in question. So, if someone is being "questioned" on their IP usage, it will trace back to the "account holder" address. As you know, the account holder MUST live and reside at that house.

Hrmm.. so what if the IP used (and apparently associated with the user) was a hijacked wireless IP? (that is they have a Wireless AP, issuing out DHCP private and the attacker uses that)? Or, it's a "spoofed address"? How do I know that the "person" at the other end is in fact the person committing the attack?

And the above only works publically with companies. What about individuals? Or rather what about individuals in companies/universities?

This all said, of course, can be a mote point since it would require a warrant to get this information from the ISP and just cause to associate you to the crime (not always as easy as we'd like)

Edit: quick question:

The physical server is located in Plano, TX. on the "southeast side of town" so to speak.

So why does the bold say:

OrgName: Level 3 Communications, Inc.
OrgID: LVLT
Address: 1025 Eldorado Blvd.
City: Broomfield
StateProv: CO
PostalCode: 80021
Country: US

Which is Colorado (??) and yet you say:

As you know, the account holder MUST live and reside at that house. I will give you an example.

Perhaps I'm missing what the example is about?