cell phone cloning

[littlenick]

Well that SMS thing can't be solved by just changing message center number becuase you are changing your sims settings not cloaned sims setting.

Originally posted here by yourdeadin
2 sims with the same number
well that is a blunder on tha part of the cell company .!!


gsm cloned phones are still to be discovered in india

Not really dude Just check it out in your own city there are some suprises waiting for you ...........


TRUST ME

[yourdeadin]

center number becuase you are changing your sims settings not cloaned sims setting.

how about the two sims are in two different cities,what happens then ?
now you definatly have to change the message center number isn't it so?

Not really dude Just check it out in your own city there are some suprises waiting for you .......
never heard of it

hope so
only post paid coustomers can tell if their sims have been cloned not pre paid .they can only complain with no proff that they have not made that call .
post paid cous have an advantage as the location of their cell is poste inthe monthly bill
so one can track down the bad clone

[yourdeadin]

So, what is the modus operandi of a typical fraudster?

Every mobile handset has a unique factory-coded Electronic Serial Number (ESN) and a Mobile Identification Number (MIN). The crime starts when someone working for a mobile-phone service provider leaks these numbers to grey market operators. The buyer then programs them into new phones which will have the same number as that of the original subscriber.

The accused in the Delhi case used software called Patagonia to clone only CDMA phones (Reliance and Tata Indicom). However, there are software packages that can be used to clone even Global System for Mobile or GSM (e.g. Airtel, Hutch, Idea) phones. In order to clone a GSM phone, knowledge of the International Mobile Equipment Identity (IMEI) or instrument number is sufficient.

well there you have it
http://www.cxotoday.com/cxo/jsp/arti...749&cat_id=909

[RoadClosed]

question anolog phones were banned all over the world after that rife

hi deadagain,

Analog phones were not "banned" anywhere. They are still used even in the USA. Although now days you have to be wayyy out in the middle of nowhere.... like Texas. They stopped using them because: 1) you can monitor everything, 2) you can clone the hell out of them, and 3) they can't get many sunscribers on a cell site. Security and subscriber density drive the technology, imo.

In most modern systems the intstant a cloned SIM card is detected. Wham. And if it gets by that day it's scrubbed in night processes that compare IMEI, SIM card, billing records, location, etc. Any missmatches... wham.

Of course someone on the inside with access to the database could work some foo on the unix boxes but that is the case for any human operated system.

[yourdeadin]

http://www.informationweek.com/story...cleID=60300329

Question A: How can we secure our enterprise mobile phones and PDAs?


There are locking mechanisms on the cellular phones that require a PIN to access the phone. This would dissuade some attackers, foil others, but might not work against a well-financed and equipped attacker. An 8-digit PIN requires approximately 50,000,000 guesses, but there may be ways for sophisticated attackers to bypass it.

well i don think that this preventative measure can be used to prevent cell cloning,can; it?

[RoadClosed]

It would help but no one uses a pin. That locks the data on the SIM card. So anytime you want to make a call or look at your phone for any reason, you have to use the PIN. I tried it once and turned it off. It's like password protecting your PC it helps but its not the final answer. But its really the only measure you as a phone user can take to protect your data and your phone number. Other measure rely on the provider to secure access to their systems, completely beyond your control. The good thing is, they are motivated to do it because that adds up to lost revenue.

Another thing you can do is migrate to newer technologies that make cloning very very very very difficult. Especially since all traffic to and from the cell is HIGHLY encrypted. iDEN and GPRS are examples. I don't know much about GPRS (ATT) but iDEN (Nextel) is the ****. If you get a cloned cell phone operating for more than 24 hours on that system without internal help then I would have to say you are the ****. In fact NSA want's you.

You wouln't run 802.11 with WAP, you would migrate if security was a concern.. same for unsecure cell technologies. IMO.

[yourdeadin]

An authentication key inside the cell phone facilitates the system and all Korean cell phones released this year are equipped with the key.

The authentication system brings in an additional security phase by automatically sending a series of encoded passwords over the airwaves between the cell phone and the network

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/2005...8142210220.htm

u said it bro ,u said it
the encryption seems to be the only key to prevrn cel clonng

[yourdeadin]

well it seems that the rife has just begun


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/1023615.cms

HYDERABAD: The state police has arrested a gang of mobile cloners, a new type of criminal gang involved in duplicating legitimate mobile subscriber.

The gang arrested was involved in the cloning of mobile phones, latest crimes to hit mobile phone users. While the gang members made phone calls from the duplicated numbers, the legitimate subscriber paid the bill.

The gang sold at least 100 such cloned mobiles to the buyers and minted huge amount of money.

According to the Mahesh Bhagwat, DCP, Hyderabad, "Using software they erase the old data of the ESN and MIN number and feed in a new ESN and MIN number. This was their technique. So if there is one legitimate subscriber there may be thousands of clones of his mobile number."

The police further said that internet has made the cloning more easier, with many free softwares available on the internet. All it needs to do so is to copy the Electronic Serial or ESN, and MIN or mobile identification number onto a handset to create its clone.

hmm i wonder where you find such s/w???
any clues?

[hamtown1]

Is it possible my cell phone has been cloned
Hello everyone,

I am in need of assistance concerning a potentialy strange situation.

I want to know if it is possible that my cell phone has been cloned. I'm not sure if that's even the correct term.

Here is my situation:

I have been seeing a girl for 6 or 7 months. She is extremely smart. Technically and electronically smart. While we have alot of things in common, electronics isn't one of them. She also has a deceptive side to her and among other things, was very big into eavesdropping with the use of scanners(just to shed some light on her background).

Things haven't been going well for us and i've been moving in another direction.

The strange thing is this. I do a lot of text messaging. I text friends, ex girlfriend, co-workers, family members etc. None of these people are friends with this girl, come into contact with this girl, or are connected with this girl in any way shape or form.

Somehow she knows what I'm texting. She calls me out on dinner plans, travel plans and other things I text in very specific ways. Normally I would not think some sort of cell phone pirating has taken place but I can't thinkof any other answers.

She hasn't had access to my phone at all in the last couple months. Also, I am really good about deleting my messages after reading.

While she is smart, she is also a little crazy and irrational(which is why the separation). And to be honest feel threatend by her having this info. She shows up at places unexpectantly etc etc.

Please help. Is this sort of thing possible? There were plenty of times early on where she has had access to my phone, so if it is possible, she had the chance to do it.

Let me know what you know.

Thanks.

[Tiger Shark]

Since you not only posted in an old thread... hence the flashing dates... But then you had the nerve to spam my PM's with three copies of the exact message above I can see immediately that you are clearly not the kind of person that has a thought process clear enough to understand, or probably even listen to, the advice or whatever you are given... Thus I, and anyone else, would be wasting our mental energy on you....

Change your cell phone....