Hackers are all B@#t@rds

[Egaladeist]

Hi the renegade,

Exactly!

And I agree...the guy's obviously been burned and has an itch he's trying to scratch.

Eg

[metguru]

Originally posted here by Aspman
Hacker as a word is lost to the 'dark side'. If you call youself a hacker to other people (non-technical expecially) you either look like a criminal or a *****.

I totaly agree with you. Its too late to try to explain to people that the origonal definition of a hacker had a possitive connotation, bacause of all the kids that use the kiddyscripts and what not that call themselves hackers, so I consider it useless to make a big deal about what is a hacker and cracker and what isn't. This doesn't mean I don't think that going into someones computer without permission is wrong, its just the labels that they are given are usually incorrect, and i don't think that will ever change.

[My SuperMan Ego]

Look at anyone who just enjoys computers and leaves it at that... this as opposed to anyone who uses the H-word either in the so called "ethical" sense or not you'll notice the difference between the two right way. A "hacker" is someone who has...

A: Turned on their computer in the hopes and dreams of "being something" and/or "being known for something".

B: Set themselves apart from any random Joe on the internet by appointing themselves and people around them "hackers" and maybe even other various words of self importance despite how limited they actually are as far as computers go.

Oh and my favorite at the moment C: Gets defensive and angry when you sum it up in a way they feel some how hurts their image.

[Agent_Steal]

Hi the renegade,
Exactly!
And I agree...the guy's obviously been burned and has an itch he's trying to scratch.
Eg

I believe that he is trying to address three issues [ Feel free to correct me if I am wrong :

[1] Unlike the real world things such as ethics and morals dont exist on the Internet. Therefor there it is much easier for someone to commit a crime.

Hackers couldn't be any further detached from the damage, devastation and emotional destruction they cause. Just close the lid to your laptop computer, and move on.

Why care ??

[2]
You have people who are overworked, underpaid, understaffed and well they basically lack the resources to do their job properly. So why would some guy who's breaking in really care ?? Heck why would the guy/girl who's getting worked like a dog even care at all ??

[3] The culture of the Internet is different today then what it was back then. Like the authors mentions : "everyone was more interested in making it all work and in building new and amazing things." Now it seems people are more interested in taking it apart ??
Or making a quick buck ???

I may be wrong but interesting read though .... " Crime ? What crime ? "

[spheraice]

its takes one to know one

[Egaladeist]

Hi AS,

That was my point...or at least one of them...

1. there seems to be no CLEAR recognized and accepted definition of a hacker

2. in regards to property rights it is unethical, and in some cases, if not all, illegal to gain UNAUTHORIZED access

3. trying to explain to these people why it is WRONG to enter someone else's property WITHOUT their permission is like trying to explain to a thief why it's wrong to steal...they do not see or understand the consequences of their actions so...they don't see it as being wrong...until it happens to them.

I noticed and read what was said...did you actually read what I said...or just gloss over it?

Eg

[Agent_Steal]

Hi AS,

That was my point...or at least one of them...

1. there seems to be no CLEAR recognized and accepted definition of a hacker

2. in regards to property rights it is unethical, and in some cases, if not all, illegal to gain UNAUTHORIZED access

3. trying to explain to these people why it is WRONG to enter someone else's property WITHOUT their permission is like trying to explain to a thief why it's wrong to steal...they do not see or understand the consequences of their actions so...they don't see it as being wrong...until it happens to them.

I noticed and read what was said...did you actually read what I said...or just gloss over it?

[1] There is but now we have white hats, black hats, grey hats, ...
[2] Agree
[3] Well it's easy for people to become detached from reality when they spend too much time playing with their computers ....

[rubytuesday]

It's a game of catch me if you can crackers and kiddies outwit the authorities do it again
and again they start deluding themselves they won't get caught and theyre untouchable oh
when they are caught they think a big company like Symantec or Mcafee has a job waiting for
them with a nice paycheck lol. Anyone who hires these guys is nuts.








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[miracle]

Egaldeist,

While I applaud your steadfastness (is that a word?) and convictions, I think you are trying to make this a black and white issue when the world of hacker-dom is most definitely gray in a lot of areas. For example, would you say it is unethical for a hacker to break into a system in order to patch it and make it more secure? What if he/she had warned the admin many times already about the systems vulnerabilities, yet the admin had ignored him/her? And what about someone releasing a worm into the wild that patched and removed a newly circulated worm? Is that unethical? Certainly the above actions are ILLEGAL in most countries, but are they unethical?

Attempting to make physical property (i.e. someones home) analogous to a server on a network just does not work. In fact, analogies do a rather poor job of forming or supporting an argument in this case....they only serve to convolute the issue further.

[warl0ck7]

The point is

On the internet nobody knows you are a dog or a hacker

So lets just chill these issues.