Roberto Calderoli: Bravest Man Alive!

[rcgreen]

Listen you Pig eating FU**ING as* hole

Last night, right after I finished screwing your mama, we ate pig
soup and pig sandwiches. Your mama is good in bed, maybe you
should try her. I also know where your kids go to school. I will
give them pig candy.

Every year Hindus kills hundred of Muslims in India,

Yeah, but nowhere near enough, because the bastards haven't
left yet.

they burned down our Mosques

And we're gonna burn them here too, so stay outta my country.
We only want civilized immigrants.

Islam will not Suck....... We have a true and Original Book

And your silly book sucks too. You really think anyone here thinks
your book is any more important than any other book? Get this through
your thick, uneducated third world head. We have more important
things to do than to read your superstitious BS. No one respects Islam
because you don't respect yourselves. If you respected yourself, you
wouldn't believe all that s**t. You would convert, and become a
normal person.

[Tedob1]

FanacooL! i too need to leave work but something must be said. a short response for now and much more to follow.

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Now coming to this Cartoon thing.

Let me ask one thing to all of you who say this is freedom of speech, suppose two of us are living in a room and i do an act which is disturbing for you, if you would be a sensible person you be requesting me to forbid this act, and if its something really personal and disturbing to you you might stop me by force...... When the Muslims are Saying its disturbing not to publish and do act like cartooning our Holy Prophet this should be enough for others to understand......
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here's where you are completely wrong. i would totally be within my right's to object, to state my mind and request that you stop. But i would not nor could not under any circumstances use force to make you stop....as long as we're only talking about something i find insulting and not life threatening. if a situation is such that you can't control your temper it is your responsibility to LEAVE before you act. anything else is illegal.

everyone...including yourself has a right to say what they feel. to express themselves. today in the west one of the major movies about to be released (or maybe it has been released i really dont care) is "the di vince code". this tells a tale of jesus getting it on with mary magdaline and the church desperatly hiding it for centurys. an utter insult to christians everywhere but you don't see film directors dead in the streets nor do you see hordes of people causing havoc and destruction

the ways of the muslims where just an oddity to westeners when the world was larger but it isn't large any longer. now your ways have become intolerable.

[FanacooL]

rcgreen

Listen you A**hole atleast we know who are real parents are specially father.... you son of ..... you can't even know whose blood running in your fu&&ing vaines. Your mom got Fu**ed up by too many people she couldn't remember whom son are you or rather you should be having lots of varities of different men.

I swere I haven't seen you but if you were infront of me you would have been dead or atleast half dead before uttering such Fu**ing Nounsense....... It hurts us but whtever is said to you won't be bothering you as you don't dame care about your parents.

Tedob1

Under no circumstances i am saying killing is right but from what you said:

would totally be within my right's to object, to state my mind and request that you stop. But i would not nor could not under any circumstances use force to make you stop....as long as we're only talking about something i find insulting and not life threatening.

Find insulting about yourself one can handle, but what if were standing in front of you and whatever i said to rcgreen i say to you......I think you would try to get your hands on me..... If you really love her...... Anyways its you who has to think what other person saying hurts you more not any body else....... And take it this way you and a friend of yours standing in front of me and i say blap blap about something relating to you and you did not reacted a part from showing change in your expressions but your friend keeping on saying in your ears listen he said this to you.... thats not right you should take the revenge or something like that if you are not a sensible person you might over react in this situation and could do anything........ Appologizes if you can;t understand as My English is poor but i Hope you will grab the theme here.

[rcgreen]

I swere I haven't seen you but if you were infront of me you would have been dead or atleast half dead

Made my argument for me.

[MURACU]

Rc if you have nothing usefull to add why don't you just take it to PM that way we dont have to waste our time looking at postes that seem to be comming from a drugged up 15 year old just after been dumped by his girlfriend. Sorry but that is the quality of your posts in this thread.

[rcgreen]

Sorry but that is the quality of your posts in this thread.

Sorry. Actually, I thought I was being very funny and clever.
These fanatics are such a tempting target.

[imported_Remote_Access]

Mr. Dalek, of course the US. isn't going to publicly state they are going to bomb a mosque. That would be bad for PR. We just sweep stuff like that under the rug and go on about the war. You cannot simply classify all the bombings as merely "collateral damage". A resistance is a resistance Mr. Dalek. It would be better to shoot from a school window than not to shoot at all. Anyone who puts up a form of resistance isn't a coward in my book. As far as the living conditions go, check out the mud huts across the border. We are not at war with Saudi Arabia. Look at the homes of people from Iraq and Afganistan and compare them to the ones in Saudi Arabia. There is a big difference. The so called "insurgents" have to get some type of income to help with their resistance. Shells aren't free. Moving forward.

Your ethanol link doesn't seem to work. I'd love to read more about this abundant natural resource. I've allready noticed on signifigant problem with it though. You said:

if the US wanted to, they could also combine ethanol with oil and reduce their dependancy on foreign oil

The kicker is you still have to have oil. It's only delaying the inevitable.



Tedob1, you said everyone has the right to say what they feel and I totally agree with that. THen your last comment says something off the wall.

the ways of the muslims where just an oddity to westeners when the world was larger but it isn't large any longer. now your ways have become intolerable.

Why are they intolerable? Because it's differnt? Maybe because we don't understand them, nor do we want to understand. The Muslim's ways are different so it is intolerable? That doesn't make sense to me.

Rcgreen, I don't have any comment on any of that crap that you posted other than that one statement.

No one respects Islam
because you don't respect yourselves.

I think that Muslims seem to have more respect for themselves than most Christians as far as religion goes. Tedob1 mentioned the "Di Vince Code". He is right, you don't see any film directors dead in the street or hordes of people causing havoc because of that film. However, if yuo made a similar film about Muhammad, I'd bet $100 to a dime, something would happen.

One more thing Dalek, let's not forget what type of dialogue and diplomacy we used with Iraq. I believe we gave Saddam 72 hours to get out of Iraq or go to war. Wow, now that's some good choices there. I'd like to see what would happen if China or Russia told Bush he had 72 hours to get out or go to war.

Blood against Blood, Hand against Hand. An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth.

On a side note, I would just like to add that even if you do not agree with Islam or the Quran, I'd hope that you could at least read it, or a part of it, and try to grasp it's ideas and concepts before you go bashing it.

[nihil]

Please chill out folks?

The Islamic faith has a particular aversion towards "idolatery", which was apparently a problem back then?

Today, this is not really an issue, as we are sensible enough not to worship images we have, ourselves, created

So, the idea of an image of a prophet, and that is ANY prophet, not just Mohammed, is unacceptable to those of the Islamic Faith.

I have had this sort of discussion many times with Islamic friends........we Christians use "imagery", but that is far different from "idolatery". That which is respect to us, might be considered insolent by them?

Hey, I have had two Mullahs ask me if I was "a Sunni or a Shia Roman Catholic"...........and that is serious.

I objected to planning permission for a mosque (like you do ) on the grounds that it did not have a Minaret............ the guys were OK about this......I said that Allah would probably forgive a Christian before a Moslem for pulling such a stunt............

So, the application was rejected, and they used my argument..... and the next day they had the plans with the Minaret..........which got approved

We are all children of The Book or its equivalent?

[rcgreen]

I think that Muslims seem to have more respect for themselves than most Christians as far as religion goes. Tedob1 mentioned the "Di Vince Code". He is right, you don't see any film directors dead in the street or hordes of people causing havoc because of that film. However, if yuo made a similar film about Muhammad, I'd bet $100 to a dime, something would happen.

The difference is that they need to defend their god, because their god is
impotent and helpless. My god can defend himself if and when he is in
the mood. He doesn't need my overzealous help.

And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.
And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under.
And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.
And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.
And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.
And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down.
And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:
And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.
And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood.
And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time.
And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water.
And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.
Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again.
Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/k...1&byte=1392613

Time will tell who is right, whether it is Islam or Christianity or Paganism.
The almighty reserves to himself the exclusive right to have the final
word. But I, like Elijah, am moved to mock those who take themselves
too seriously. They are losers.

[nihil]

Children of the Book?