Sorry to keep yall waiting so long on this! but I finally figured it out. I was able to get into my BIOS on my USB keyboard ( by pressing delete) then from there I found out that "USB Keyboard Support" was turned off! Now I know that is a setting I have never messed with so it must have come that way. Very odd. Now AFAIK all my usb related stuff worked AFTER windows loaded but now I tested it and I am able to press F8 and boot into safe mode since I turned the USB Support on. BTW my pc is only about a year old and this keyboard is about 2 years old. Well have a good one and thanx for the help! Tyler.