How long till you adopt Vista?

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I read an article in a trade publication that said that Microsoft was going to roll out Vista, the new Office and Exchange on the same day.

Should make the call centers busy. I wonder how many "shops" will do more than one rollout on their system.

Well they are mismanaged if they do.. While we are participating as a large corporate customer of MS we will not be running on any production servers any time soon. I think the earliest that will happen is the middle of next year, if even then. All of our new hardware is 64 bit capable, so we have definitely been planning on stepping up to Vista and exchange12 for some time now.

However, you have to wonder how well a company can ensure that their system is secure,

I'm confused, what does piracy have to do with security? The weakest link in any system is the human one. And I guarantee you that somebody inside of MS, or at one of their DVD/CD production houses is how the copies got leaked.

Sorry there is no solid data I can give you about beta or pre-release clients of an operating system. I do know that Microsoft is trying to keep anti-virus makers in the dark about the OS so the "pen testers" and world renowned security researchers are gonna have a hard time finding out anything of value which relates to Vista in a real world setting.

So far 57% of the people who have taken this poll are quite happy with their current O/S and have no urge to explore the endless ways "better kernel memory utilization and security using kernel memory randomization" is going to make their digital life any better. I wonder why?

And would you please explain to my why you felt the need to post your thoughts about the previous posts in such a disrespectful tone?

Exactly, you are just spewing misinformation and have no clue about the enhancements in Vista... Hmm.. so nobody cares about kernel memory randomization? Damn, I could have sworn I've seen a lot of linux diehards puff out their chests when the linux kernal was able to randomize critical spaces of memory so that attackers could not latch onto a specific memory space as is the case with many virii and rootkits.

As for MS keeping things secret, again, give us some information on this. We currently use two main antivirus vendors at my work. And both of them have been testing their products and developing new versions that will work with vista and exchange 12 and take advantage of many of the enhancements. As for MS not sharing data with security researchers you are again, wrong. I've attended several large JDP forums and I attend somewhat regular conference calls with the exchange 12 JDP team. If anything the information they are sharing with their customers is much better this time around than with any product they have released before.

As for my tone, I think you need to not be so sensitive. I did not make any negative or disparaging comments to you other than to ask you to back up your claims. Which you just stated you can't do. So if me calling you out on your BS claims is a negative tone, then yeah, I had a negative tone.


As far as the other comments about people upgrading old PC's. Why bother? If it isn't broke, why fix it? I really doubt MS is really worried about not selling individual licenses to people with 4 year old machines. They make their money on major support contracts, corporate licensing, and bulk manufacturing licenses. Just because I'm not going to update my home machines(that is running win2k by the way) to Vista doesn't mean that I can't recognize that there are a lot of good features and security enhancements in vista.

As for issues with anti-piracy measures and DRM built into the machines. I don't like those parts of vista either. But you know what? Most other commercial OS'es have that feature functionality built in. And if Linux wants to be really considered as a rival to OSX or Vista, it will soon have to follow along in those steps. Otherwise all of the large content providers will just make their content so that it doesn't run on linux. And when the people write software to circumvent that, they will go to jail. Does this suck? Yeah, but the people with the money, also have the power. It's not just a MS thing, it is just corporate america.