Why is it so hard to get some prescription drugs in the needed quantities?

[nihil]

Hi gore

AFAIK you can still get OTC products in the UK that contain morphine and codeine. You would have to get them from a registered pharmacist though, so they are sort of "controlled" as in "adults only"...............a bit like alcohol, solvents and the like.

You actually may have inherited this tolerance from your mother. My best friend's father was nearly killed by a small dose of penicillin, yet it is absolutely useless to my friend........he may as well eat candy.

Pot (cannabis) is an interesting one. It used to be sold as a medication and is actually being grown under licence over here for pharmaceutical research purposes at the moment. It basically got banned as a knee jerk political reaction to "recreational drugs" but it looks as if it could be back on the shelves fairly shortly.

I am sure that we will use the traditional British compromise of renaming it to allow legislative duality.............like we call legal heroin "diamorphine"

[gore]

Hi gore

AFAIK you can still get OTC products in the UK that contain morphine and codeine. You would have to get them from a registered pharmacist though, so they are sort of "controlled" as in "adults only"...............a bit like alcohol, solvents and the like.

You actually may have inherited this tolerance from your mother. My best friend's father was nearly killed by a small dose of penicillin, yet it is absolutely useless to my friend........he may as well eat candy.

Pot (cannabis) is an interesting one. It used to be sold as a medication and is actually being grown under licence over here for pharmaceutical research purposes at the moment. It basically got banned as a knee jerk political reaction to "recreational drugs" but it looks as if it could be back on the shelves fairly shortly.

I am sure that we will use the traditional British compromise of renaming it to allow legislative duality.............like we call legal heroin "diamorphine"

I applaud the UK for that. Well them and any other country where they actually allow people to test things for facts and not something a D.A.R.E. cop force fed them in school.

New research into pot seems to show it does have more than just a few uses:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm

Hmm, is it REALLY that shocking? What does pot do to a lot of people? Mess with memory... What does that disease destroy?.... Get the drift?

I know everyone here doesn't believe in the same things I do, however, I believe in God, and believe God has given humanity plants to use for things that would happen.

The Papaver Somniferum plant was made for joy and killing of pain and sad days, and it seems the Cannibinoids were mad for what most people use them for anyway:

Expanding your mind.

I probably wouldn't be so... Well whatever someone would call the way I am about drugs... But I have to be, anyone here from America sees probably 50 anti-drug commercials a day and all of them are the same, "drugs are bad you'll die and have no friends and getting stoned is going to turn you into a baby killer"....

What kind of human being would I be if I knew otherwise and didn't say a word about it? Complacency is the enemy. Just like that KMFDM song WW3 "I declare war on the war against drugs, ... war on Complacent Consent...Organised dis-information".

I get called a lot of things in my area. I don't just act like this online, I stand up for what I believe in here in Michigan too. I've been called un-American for what I'm willing to say..

I'm not sure if I should take that as a compliment or not though considering every other country hates the US anyway.

It's the land of the free yet people here are more strict than most other places and our kids are STILL little bastards with no manners.

I think I'll put that on a tee shirt. heh.

And also, me ebing called an "anarchist" which is bullshit too, because I had an upside down flag hanging on my wall. There was not only a reason it was there, it was a good reason.

As a citizen of the US you are SUPPOSED to hang it upside down in time of emergency. What is more patriotic considering how America was founded, than hating the govt and control ?

[brokencrow]

Interestingly, one of the primary reasons pot doesn't get legalized is that the police have no way of checking if users are under the influence. I've had several policeman tell me as much. I even had a state trooper tell me on I-75 they didn't even care about pot anymore.

Some pot today is much stronger than what was around in the 60's and 70's. In high school in the early 70's, weed went for $10-15 a lid (an ounce). It was Mexican, all leaf, no buds. Every once in a while, some "black Michoacan" would come through. That stuff was good, light fluffy bud mixed with leaf.

The mid-70's saw the importation of Colombian weed and prices jumped to $35 an o-z. The Mexican stuff also jumped in price. I can remember a flood of Acapulco Gold in spring of '75. The stuff was excellent, but shot through with seeds (almost 1/2 the weight). Pot took on a different look too. It was being compressed in trash compactors before being exported.

Then the sinsemilla craze hit about 1980 or so. Wow, the stuff was all bud and strong. A far cry from the Colombian and Mexican we were used to. And it was being grown locally, in the hills of eastern Ohio. Sinsemilla became quite the cottage industry, from California to Kentucky. And prices went crazy. $200 and up was nothing.

I'm pretty much out of the loop these days, but what I see now is "chronic", what we used to call commercial-grade Colombian/Mexican stuff. It's average from what I can tell. And then there's 'dro. That's as good a weed as there ever was. E-v-e-r.

I was having coffee with a friend the other day who's the head librarian at a local university. We were trading war stories, and he mentioned coming across Nepalese temple balls, which was a high-grade hashish, on a trip to Asia in the 60's. Hash used to make the rounds in the 60's & 70's, and I asked my friend what ever happened to it. He emphatically (!) stated no one needs it anymore as pot is so much better. There's a lot of truth to that.

What I find most distinctive between "now" and "then" is the violence of the drug culture. I knew a couple of heavy-duty dealers in the 70's, and for the most part, they didn't own guns. It was B.C. (before crack). The influx of cocaine in the 80's gave rise to the "scarface" mentality. Gangs moved into the drug market, particularly bikers from what I saw. Dealing with them, you put your life in their hands. Even pot growers suffered. In recent years, I've come to know some folks who moved back into eastern Ky to grow weed 20-25 years ago. Elsie's husband got killed back in the woods years ago by some good ol' boys. Of course, the kids of those good ol' boys who hated dope and made moonshine are growing it themselves these days. Those hills are riddled with well-armed dopers now.

To me, it's all gotten so convoluted. Everyone's raised the stakes: the druggies, the mfg'ers (legal or not), and the law. Drugs, both legal and illegal, are BIG money. And I still wonder, coming back to pain meds, how mfg'ers and wholesalers reconcile their books to cover all the pills hitting the street. The UN even puts illegal drugs as the largest article of world trade in dollar terms. Estimates vary though. But it's big, real big. How's all this stuff get across borders without some form of gov't collusion?

Follow the money? Control drugs and you're going to make a lot of moolah. A far cry indeed from the 60's and 70's.