The End of the Universe

[mohaughn]

Which is why I don't subscribe to that theory as the explanation for life on earth.

The Big Bang Theory has nothing to do with life on earth. It is a theory that describes how the universe came to be in the current that that it is in.

Darwin's Theory of Evolution says more about life on this planet. Not sure if you are getting those confused. Just not sure what the link is between the big bang and life on this planet.

[Moira]

Well, to say that it has nothing to do with life on earth doesn't follow if you accept it was responsible for creating the earth. And I don't think evolution and creation are mutually exclusive, but that evolution as the reason we came to be has too many bits of the argument that don't fit.

[fourdc]

Religion and mythology have often offered explanations for things that we humans don't understand or comprehend. I can't comprehend infinity or a pre bang universe with nothing but a bit of pressurized matter waiting to pop.

Everything is a theory here, until someone offers definite proof otherwise.

I'll keep my faith, if my faith is correct in time I'll know the answers. Maybe then I'll know where those missing socks are.

[Moira]

"Religion and mythology" - how sad that you lump them both in the same sentence. I find it quite incredible how many intelligent, educated, cultured, western people can diss the concept of God without at least testing the argument, and yet they're only too happy to believe in Mystic Meg's lottery predictions and read their horoscopes avidly.

[tin.roof.rabbit]

Yeah, I normally refer to Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, etc, as Theologies and not religions. Unless you are speaking of organized religion, that has a whole different context.

But I find it sad when people do not have the conviction to question what they are being told. That they don't actually read their literature. Oh they will feign to and turn around and parrot what they were told at the building of worship. What good is having a free will without using it? Personally it took me 10 years of study to really get a handle for my opinion of what the bible said.

and if I was picking between Mystic Megs and Pat Robertson’s of the world, I'd go with Megs. Their name is not tied to a great pacifist and I will never have to read about one of them saying a certain person or group of people should be killed knowing they are supposed to exonerate that pacifistic personification.

Ciao

[Moira]

I too find it sad when people don't have the conviction or even the interest to question what they are being told - be that by a building of worship or other "religions" and lifestyles they seem to accept without question.

Too many people cannot support the arguments they trot out glibly. I have a strong faith because I question my existence and purpose in life and I find my beliefs stand that test. It irritates me when people dismiss "god" (and I'm not talking organised religion here), yet they haven't thought about it at all.

I just find this sort of thing fascinating. Questions like why do plants grow at the "golden angle", achieving optimal packing rather than rows, where even straying by one tenth of a degree will lose the effect? Why is the growth based on the golden angle usually a number from the Fibonacci series? Why have we got the exact maths to experience solar eclipses? These and other similar questions convince me we are looking at the work of an intelligent creator, who wanted us to enjoy life, not random chaos. And why has nobody managed to achieve animate life from inanimate matter?

I'd better save this for tomorrow's housegroup where the basis for this thread originated, ie Eddie and his statement about the "end of the universe"

Sorry, I never meant it to get this heavy

[fourdc]

I mean no insult to religion. One person's religion is another's mythology. An "upstart" religion until it's established is usually referred to as a "cult."

I mean no disrespect. I am usually pretty tolerant of another's beliefs. What moves me is not another's beliefs but another's action, for good or for bad.

It all comes down to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
Accept as you wish to be accepted. Respect as you wish to be respected.

[nihil]

Well fourdc you really disappoint me there............. a man of your intellect, and this being a "full diclosure" security site and all.......... tell them the truth about the missing socks man!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every washing machine contains a stainless steel lobster that eats socks.......... but never two of the same colour/pattern at the same time.

So, do as I do, and buy a half dozen identical pairs................this confuses the lobster............ but, be warned, when it dies of starvation you have to go buy a new washing machine

I am going to make a round trip of about 70 miles tonight......to a "mission"........ It will be the Indians (Goa) this time............ the Phillipinos did it yesterday................ I guess it will be the Poles and Czechs tomorrow?

Sorry Moira, I just couldn't resist the temptation

I think that you know where I stand from my signature?

[fourdc]

Nihil..
I buy only gray socks from Hanes. I always have matching socks.

Moira
It's supposed to be heavy, its Cosmos.

[JohnHarten]

The universe has no end, according to Stephen Hawkings, let me explain why:

The equation for gravity according to Newton depends on the mass of the object. That is why Jupiter has more moons than us etc. Because it has more mass = more gravity. Saturn has a moon called Titan which is greater in size than mercury, and the mini planet pluto, yet it revolves around Saturn.

Mass does not size, because different objects contain different density.

If there was an end of the universe that would mean there would be a central point of gravity which would be the largest mass in the universe. That means that every universal object would be eventually heading to that point.

Although on the contrary according to Hawkings, observations show that galaxies around us are actually moveing away from us, as well as the rest of the universe. This supports the Big Bang Theory and the universe is expanding.

Of course there are alot of phylisophical theories on creationism, and also evolutionism, you just need to figure it out for yourself and get your own opinions.