I see your point Dalek, and you cant really blame the troops. The soldiers should be kept alive if possible. The point I was trying to make is the degree of the "comfort factor". In the house to house raids for example, there is usually a large group of well equipped soldiers kicking in someones door, while they eat dinner. This IMO is not hand to hand, and the comfort level is still huge. The troops in Vietnam may have shot blindly over bunkers, but they didn't whine that jeeps didn't have enough armor. While I don't blame the "troopers" I do blame the whole of the military. Imagine in 10 years if we have to fight China. They are growing quickly into a superpower, so I cant see it being avoided. How do you think our troops will fare against a LARGE, well equipped army? I don't see it going well for our guys.