Iraq, G. dub, and the long arm of the Army Reserve

[RoadClosed]

1. a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of traditional solutions
2. belief one’s group is the victim, justifying any action without legal or moral limits
3. need for authority by a natural leader above the law, relying on the superiority of his instincts
4. right of the chosen people to dominate others without legal or moral restraint
5. fear of foreign "contamination."

Hey, are you talking about Global Warming?

[MURACU]

Naw Road global Warming isn't happening in the US.
ALso to go back to another point - I agree that the number of men in an army isn't always the most important factor. There have been many battles where a smaller force has defeated a larger or much larger army.

[RoadClosed]

Global warming exists in the US. We just argue over what why where how and when we are going to do something about it. We haven't even reached the apex of past warming cycles. It's a comming and "we'll grow oranges in Alaska (Dale Gribble).

[stevel]

I can't stand to hear the term global warming. Is the globe warming? Yes. Is it caused by human action? Maybe. Is there any point in arguing over it? No.

The fact remains that the burning of fossil fuels has many confirmable negative consequences that reach beyond the global warming debate. This very threads subject is one of many negative geopolitical effects. Also plenty of undeniable environmental and health effects exist that support the cause of alternative fuels.

Don't be sidetracked by fruitless debates.

[stevel]

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nihil, if you would be so kind as to help me out with a delete. Thanks.

[fourdc]

I get a big kick out of the "STOP GLOBAL WARMING" drones. If they did any research on the subject at all they would realise that the planet has been on a cooling/warming cycle since the beginning of time.

Do a wikipedia on interglacial or glacial period, its happenned at least 5 times before. Puny, insignificant man couldn't stop it if we wanted to. It happenned before without our intervention.

Now if they want to start a discussion about not accelerating the phenom, conservation of finite resources etc I'll participate. In the meantime they are displaying their ignorance.

[Aardpsymon]

yeah, I generally stay clear of global warming. I have yet to see anyone put forward enough proof to even suggest it is caused by man, but equally noone has come close to proving to me that man has no effect. and as fourdc suggests, there are plenty of concrete reasons to go for environemntally friendly, starting with the fact that all those fumes we kick out go into the air we breathe and moving on to the fact that resources are finite.

[nihil]

Global Warming? huh................. it is the mythology of political bullcrap and the source of a US$ 4 billion a year research grant "industry"

The climate of planet Earth is dictated by its energy source............The Sun (that's the one without Page Three Aard~ )

CO2 is an insignificant greenhouse gas.................. the major greenhouse gas is H2O in the form of water vapour...............over 75% of the total as it happens.

Man contributes less than 1% of CO2............. the majority of it comes from the oceans/water masses. CO2 is an interesting gas, it becomes less soluble as water warms up, so it is released...............then the icecaps melt and cool the oceans........... then the CO2 is reabsorbed, the Earth cools and the icecaps reform. Of course there are other factors involved such as the Sun, the Earth's erratic orbit etc.

The real issues should be:

1. Pollution (that covers land, sea and air)
2. Sustainable resources
3. Conservation

[Aardpsymon]

Actually, there was that TV program recently that more convincingly linked earth's temperature not to gases in the atmosphere but to activity of the sun. (yes, the ball of fusing hydrogen not the entertaining work of fiction with interesting pictures ) Some times the sun burns a little hotter, so the earth warms up. Other times it burns a little colder and the earth cools down. Then you have to think that our orbit is not a perfect circle set in stone, sometimes we are close to the sun sometimes we are a little further away.

[MadBeaver]

This is what happens when threads collide.
http://antionline.com/showthread.php?p=918768