Tracking Computers

[nihil]

"There is no such thing as a free meal"

In the UK, the "free" ISPs require you to open an account...........OK you can do this with false information, as they get paid by the Telco, when you connect.

I have never tried to get to one of my accounts via an international call, but I can certainly use UK long distance. This is usually a "national rate" which is a low-end composite, so everyone pays the same no matter where you are in the UK. This would be a bit like a "pay as you go cellphone".......... they could trace the connection, but not who was using it..............other than that it was the fake account that I had set up.

Now, I do get free calls and 1 hour for 1 cent and stuff.............. I don't know what happens there, presumably the Telco still pays something to the ISP?

I do recall connecting to one dial-up account using broadband.......... they closed that hole pretty quickly as they weren't getting paid

[Derekeftink]

Its totally not possible?

"Google Maps server is used to translate IP information to pinpoint the machines' physical location."


http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,12...s/article.html

[morganlefay]

There is no way you can track location by IP....

I could call an australian ISP...get an Australian IP address...and I am Canada...

A trace on my IP from work shows Ottawa....wrong, from home shows Toronto...wrong again....



MLF

[nihil]

Hi Morgana~ looks like we might have a minor bug? your last post duplicated with exactly the same time stamp ............. I will keep an eye on it as I have seen that happen once before in the last few days.

Derekeftink: it is totally not possible, particularly for the likes of Google. Let me give you an example. I am in the UK using a common broadband provider who is also my Telco. They know my name (they think) my address & phone number...........which must be right, and the bank details from which I pay them.

When I connect to the internet I am assigned a volatile IP address from their address block. This will change every time I log on, and all it will tell a third party is who is my ISP, and which node I am using. All of these are many miles from where I really live.

Similarly, my 56.6 dial up can be contacted from anywhere within the UK and will only give the location of the node that I have selected, when I set the link up.

The only people who could run a trace would be law enforcement and National Security Agencies.............and they would need a court order. And I really wonder how much good one of those would be if I used my account in Hanoi

The only absolute security is to leech someone else's connection. That does not make it untraceable, but means someone else gets the blame

As for geographical location, you will only find that of the ISP.......... assuming that the tables are up to date.

[cycl0ne]

http://visualroute.visualware.com/

this works some of the time. you can also do a few tricks in terminal

[c1sc0m4n]

It can easily be traced down to the city, just with the IP address. In some instances, the exact location, even with a dynamic IP scheme, like ADSL. Proxy servers/addresses can be easily bypassed also.

Tim

[nihil]

Tim,

You are wrong.................it cannot be traced that accurately with confidence............ you would not get within 150 miles of me

You get to the nearest ISP node and no closer.

With AOL you are even more out of luck because their architecture is equivalent to a series of proxy servers.

[morganlefay]

Yep...and my ISP is 300 Kms away...

Not very accurate

and it all goes to pot if I use a proxy....in some other country

unless you can get the proxy logs

MLF

[c1sc0m4n]

http://www.dnsstuff.com
Show the email contacts for the IP address, call the NOC guy at 2:00AM, tell him "User at x.x.x.x is attempting to brute force my FTP server---are they dangerous? Where are they located?"

Tim

[nihil]

Whaaat! hey, what planet are you living on?.................. "call"............ you think that anyone answers the phone outside of office hours?

Your server.............your problem.

are they dangerous? Where are they located?

That would get YOU a call in the middle of the night............. the people with access to the information know their data protection laws and the legal penalties for divulging such information without a subpoena.

And don't think that the tekkie garbage have access to financial and accounts data........... they don't. That is called security

"User at x.x.x.x is attempting to brute force my FTP server"

Now that can be checked.............and when found to be untrue?.............expect the knock on the door.

Do you really want to follow in the footsteps of Kevin Mitnick?..............

All that DNS stuff or any other for that matter, shows is that I use a UK based service