PCNAA [scary]

[gore]

The govt "Kill Switch" on the net? Seriously? As far as I know, and from what I've learned in History books and the History Channel, the Govt in the US, are the ones who came up with the idea of the "Internet" and called it Darpa.

They wanted something that could keep running if something else was destroyed, and then, BBN got a grant from the Govt to actually make it happen while Berkeley (Those guys who came up with LSD and BSD) would be the people making the interface.

Well, Bill Joy didn't like what BBN was doing and after seeing some of the non-complete code (He had asked for this to see what they had come up with so far) and so while looking over the code, he saw they weren't doing a very good job.

Well, he decided to do it himself. The TCP/IP with Berkeley was WAY better, and so it already had seen release because of BSD making tapes for people all over the country, and so the govt stepped in when BBN whined like little girls that Berkeley people were being "Big meanie heads" and wouldn't take their code, they stepped in and said they wanted them to use it, and Berkeley said "No".

Well, they decided that since Berkeley wouldn't budge and use the crap BBN made, and BBN wouldn't stop whining like girls, they would have someone else do the tests and come up with what actually did work better.

This was because BBN claimed they were better and Berkeley said that was a load, and that THEY were better. And independent third party was asked to do REAL tests. I can't remember the guy's name, but he was someone BBN had somewhat heard of and that he knew something about Networking, and, being that he was a huge contributer to Berkeley, they were happy with him too.

He said that BBN got an early lead, but that while it was rebooting the Berkeley code caught up and, therefore, in the end, Berkeley's TCP/IP, was the better option.

The US Govt not only came up with the idea, they funded the whole thing, as a bunch of Hackers in Berkeley, made it happen.

In other words, I DO sometimes feel weird when I see people complain that the Govt in the US has to much control over the Internet.... That's a lot like saying Microsoft had to much control over MS-DOS.

And that's a very good analogy I might add; Microsoft paid Tim Patterson something like 50,000 dollars for MS-DOS, and then made it their own product for IBM, who was considered the Big Brother of it's time, and now, the US Govt, who paid for the Internet and funded the whole thing, it is in a way their product too.

No one complained much about Microsoft buying DOS from another Company / Man (Tim Patterson? Seattle Computer Products) and selling it as their own, where the Govt here in the US, made the Internet Happen, and still don't do much to it.

If you want to complain about a Bastardized Internet, look to China. They do more to destroy what the Internet was meant to be than any other Country I know of. Censorship is bad. The US govt saying they need a kill switch, is logical. They paid for the thing after all.

And Believe Me, I'm NOT some guy who doesn't speak his mind... This is just something I think is silly to freak out about. It would make no sense to use this "kill switch" as then, a lot of companies who rely on the Internet for business, would sue. (It IS possible to Sue the govt after all. We have a Democracy still).

To put it in short; I think some of this, while maybe valid in worry about what WOULD happen, is still a guy who thinks that just because he likes surfing the net, somehow makes him think he has EARNED the right to have Internet.

[westin]

heh. They could get the guys from l0pht to shut the internet down in 15 minutes. :-P

I realize that this could be a far fetched proposal, but the idea that so much crap is in the works because of the Kingdom of Fear that we are living in, really concerns me.

[The-Spec]

Imagine how many mmorpg players and social network fags will kill themselves because their E-Lives are ruined.

[Cider]

Imagine how many mmorpg players and social network fags will kill themselves because their E-Lives are ruined.

Yourself included? Hmm i doubt this could happen, but hey look what happened to china.

[westin]

Imagine how many mmorpg players and social network fags will kill themselves because their E-Lives are ruined.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq6IFNWLR4k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc

[gore]

I hate WoW, so a bunch of those people having to try something else without network play... Like maybe a good game, isn't exactly pulling at my sympathy.

There's a reason I still play original id software games. I don't need internet to do it and can still play people on a Network without having to be "online". Or at least what people call online anyway. (Heh, remember when Online meant the machine was up and running and had nothing to do with a TCP/IP connection?) Ah well.

I'll stick to DooM, DooM 2, Final DooM, DooM 3, the Quake Series, Wolfenstein, and UT series. I don't really like playing games "online" because then I have to deal with 50 morons who may not understand what they're doing at all. My Wife plays WoW and I can't imagine paying 15 dollars a month to put up with those unwashed incompetent morons.

[nihil]

The US govt saying they need a kill switch, is logical. They paid for the thing after all.

Nope...............the US Government are saying no such thing...........it is some sh1t for brains senator or whatever

Just about every country on the planet has emergency powers legislation. This is totally open ended because you never know what kind of emergency will happen. The rules are simple: there are no rules

If you fail to comply you will not be fined.............you will be incarcerated without trial..............hell, they do that in Gitmo don't they?

All I wonder is what flat stone has this guy been living under since 9/11????

Also, I have worked in the weapons of mass destruction industry long enough to know that absolutely nothing of any strategic or tactical importance is available on the internet.

This looks more like an excuse for public censorship to me

And the US does not own, and has never paid for the internet. Arpanet was never intended as a replacement for other forms of communication, particularly of a strategic nature...hell, the total lack of inbuilt security should tell you that?

OH! and whilst I am on the subject:

Sir Timothy John "Tim" Berners-Lee, OM, KBE, FRS, FREng, FRSA

A well known American?

[gore]

Well, according to "20 Years of Berkeley Unix" on DVD, Marshall Kirk said that when they wrote TCP/IP, they were doing it for a grant for the govt. I've tried finding some of this on Youtube, but I haven't been able to find much other than clips here and there a minute long or so. I was going by what he said, since he was there not only when they did BSD, but also when they started doing work for Darpa.

[nihil]

As I understand it, the original intentions behind the Arpanet was to facilitate communications between academic and research institutions? it was basically for internal, private use...........hence the lack of security features.

It was certainly never intended to be the global system that it is now.

[dinowuff]

............... does this guy have a real brain, or is it rented?

HAHA This idiot is one of my favorites. Since he couldn't figure out how to clean out the "Internet Tubes" he's going for shutting the tubes down.

ARPNET was designed to communicate in the event of Nuclear or catastrophic natural destruction. There was no DNS. You had to know the address you wanted to communicate with... Interesting stuff really.

But since WWW the many points of failure that made ARPNET so reliable in a crisis became an unmanageable and unmaintainable communications system. Hence the Interwebz and all the Tubes that we post, blog, craigs list, and surf pr0n in.

Now as to turning the thing off. First the points of failures that were ARPNET are gone. The backups have backups. Turning off the Internet? That's akin to Al Gore developing biological weapons.