Yea, more or less, I called it bullshit from the first post I made, because it seemed fairly unlikely already, and now, with what you and I have posted, I REALLY doubt it.

As for OpenBSD being the "Most Secure OS on the Planet".... I think that's a crock too. Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who has the proper Programming and or Coding Ninja Skills needed, could take BSD, and basically put their own OS based on BSD together, and make it so that EVERY service, is by default, not only turned off, but crippled.

This is why I've always been biased towards FreeBSD, I mean, it's BSD, which is wonderful software, and on top of that, they actually care about making it something you can install.

Have you ever seen a DVD called "20 Years of Berkeley Unix" ? It's an amazing thing to watch really. Basically, it's Marshal Kirk McKusick, who's one of the originals from Berkeley, who helped get BSD going.

Most people know of Bill Joy, and how he was at Berkeley doing a lot of things that became what BSD is now, and Kirk was one of the people working with him.

Bill also was one of the main people behind TCP/IP when DARPA wanted that done, and they fought for their version of it, because that company BBN or whatever, had won the contract to create what was going to become TCP/IP, and when Bill Joy saw the Code they had started, he didn't like it.

In fact, he took it, and made it better, and after 3rd party tests that DARPA had done, they realized that the one Berkeley did was far superior.

Anyway, Kirk was one of the original BSD people, and he was one of the main forces behind making it along with Bill Joy.

Kirk's Boyfriend / Partner, is Eric Allman. The guy who made Sendmail. So yea, these are some really oldschool Hackers.

Anyway, the DVD is Kirk doing an amazing speech at a FreeBSD convention, and not only does he do this like, amazing Speech, which is VERY informative, but it's FUNNY!

He talks about the very beginning of Multi User systems, like the Manchester Project in England, and a lot of other things that have shaped what we use today.

He's awesome, and I would recommend really anyone, to give it a shot.

You can buy the DVD from the FreeBSDmall, or, you can just order it from Kirk's Website.

Anyway, BSD in general, can be made where everything is shut off. That's what OpenBSD seems to be from the point of view of someone like me who doesn't give a damn how out of the box looks, because I'll customize it anyway.

FreeBSD comes out of the box in a usable state. OpenBSD comes out of the box in a manner in which you have to enable EVERYTHING to use it, because they seem to think that turning everything off by default, is a great way to say there aren't many exploits in the default installation.....

This is bullshit to me too. I mean if I install Windows NT, and use a knife to cut the network cable, it's secure too, and it's a lot like what they seem to do.

On the DVD, Kirk talks about how FreeBSD has actually put effort into making their OS something you can actually install, where OpenBSD has this attitude that if you aren't smart enough to get it installed they don't want you as a user anyway.

That's stupid I think.

Now, I know a few people on AO use OpenBSD, and I am NOT saying it's just totally ****. It's not. It's still BSD. However, the attitude of Theo, is more than obnoxious, and on top of that, he isn't doing a THING that hasn't already been done.

If I won the Lotto or something and had a HUGE chunk of Cash I could use for anything I wanted, AFTER I finished buying ALL the rights to Unix from SCO, and giving them away, I'd also pay to have OpenBSD Certified.

I want to know what kind of rating it would get.

I like how Apple paid to have OS X certified Unix, and they got that from FreeBSD, yet somehow people can't call FreeBSD Unix lol.

I'd be very curious as to what rating OpenBSD would receive compared to other systems.

Also, I'd like to see what the Secure FreeBSD OS would get. Anyway, I'd Love to know the rating of OpenBSD. They go on and on and on about how it's the most secure OS out there, yet Trusted Solaris and TrustedBSD, don't talk about it? Lol.