I tried staying away from this thread because the damn thing is a huge mess of "I think I'm right so that means I am". Damn it.

first this thread, it should be dragged outside, shot twice, in the face, with an Elephant gun, and started over.


Think in terms liek this, how many exploits would XP have if you could see the source code? Seriously, think about it.


Where to start with this........


OK, for one thing, security by obscurity isn't half as bad as most people here think. When it comes down to it, a password is nothing more but security by Obscurity. If I find out your password, it's no longer secure is it? Just like an exploit, if I find one, your system is again insecure.

Open BSD isn't ****ing secure. You could take any *NIX, close all services by default, and burn it to an CD and call it "the most secure OS". That guy theo who mae it can **** himself. I'm tired of the jack ass people that believe his ****.


SUSE has a security team, and they do code audits on the entire core system, do you see them bragging? No, they don't need to.

SUSE lets you have all patches for security and all bug fixes, downloaded and installed BEFORE the first boot up. Now if all exploits / bugs known are fixed and the firewall is configured and services can be shut off BEFORE and OS boots up for the first time, it seems to me that would make it the most secure OS on Earth.

Some people still think NT is secure.... Well that's cute but any holes that are found are NOT getting fixed, so that is flawed..... Like OS/2. lol.


Free BSD can be made secure, Windows can be, but the problem is, for example:

Windows NT had actual multi user action. But it had a lot of Network services too.


Windows 95 and 98 had almost no network services running but ANYONE sitting there could get to anything theyw anted. It's a trade off, you can secure 98, and over a Network, it's very secure because there are no services. But sit down at the keyboard and Boom you're admin. Now NT, you need to actually log in. But NT has services running up the ass, and so it drops the security.

The more you have running on your machine, the more likely something can break.

If you're running Telnet and IIS, you're more likely to have a problem than someone running nothing.


Now here is more to add to this shitty thread:

How long does a Windows box freshly formatted, have before it's compromised? 5 minutes was it? That is NOT enough time to download the security updates.

You can add a firewall before you put it online but is that going to help? The firewall hasn't been updated yet either.



Now me, I put SUSE on there and before the thing has even booted yet it's already updated.


Which one is going to last longer online?

Chsh I believe pointed out Linux boxes have a lot longer before an attack occurs.

You see the people in this thread are basing entire arguements on PEOPLE securing the machine. That's a load of **** so high it could be a marketing department.

How can you secure a machine properly if it's owned 5 minutes after installation? Hmm? You can't install Anti Virus, A firewall, and every Windows update in 5 minutes. **** SP2 takes like 5 hours, that's longer than 5 minutes. Sure you can pop it on a CD but that still needs updates too, AND THEY ALLLLLLLLLL NEED A REBOOT.


Linux, on the other hand, I can lock it down long before it's been booted up. And hell if I want, I can pop an FTP server on a Linux box here and not put it on my DMZ, download all security patches for example, Slackware, which are .tgz packages, I can download them all, put them on my FTP, and when that Slackware box is done installing I go and update it over the LAN not letting any trafic hit it except from that FTP box on my LAN.

I can install every patch on Linux at the same time. With Windows, download it, install it, reboot, download install it, reboot, download the patch to fix the **** up the last patch ****ed up, download it, install it, reboot. Hope IE hasn't got 900 new flaws because Microsoft said **** everything but XP.


Hmmm, yea, that's about right for now. Go ahead, try and tell me what I said was completely wrong and isn't true. I've formatted Windows boxes and updated, it takes forever.