Pleeeez help a new user!!

[maxlar]

Please, help me! I've got the trojan program Sub7, but I don't know how to make it work!!! There are a few quest:
1)How can I know the IP address of a known person?
2)How can I affect this person with Sub7?
There is a exe program with sub7, it's called servers... Is it the program I have to send to this person to make him run it?
Tell me everything you know about this program.... thanx a Lot from ITALY

[Ratman2]

You're not a user, YOU'RE A BIG SCRIPT KIDDIE LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sure I speak for the majority of people here when I say that you can expect to recieve NO HELP IN LEARNING HOW TO USE DESTRUCTIVE AND HURTFUL TROJANS FROM ANY MEMBER OF THIS SITE. Maxlar, let me tell you something. You probably think that usage of such hurtful things as SubSeven is elite, but you are on the WRONG PATH. If you wanna see where this path is gonna take you, go to http://www.happyhacker.org/crime/index.shtml

THAT DOSEN'T SOUND TOO NICE, DOES IT

Now, If you want to be able to call yourself a REAL hacker, as I do, you better go over to http://www.happyhacker.org/gtmhh/gtmhh2.shtml I think once you start reading that stuff, you'll see my point, and you will be on the RIGHT path :)

[neel]

Yeah, script kiddie, but ... whats a script kiddie? O, someone like me? But I know how sub7 works. Greetings to Italy.

[Negative]

neel, I would believe you if you'd said you know how to use Sub7, but I'm pretty sure you don't know shit about how it works... That makes you a script kiddie, yes.

[lostit44]

real smart do you know how much hassle it is to have to reformat a harddrive cause some smart@ss figures its so much fun to send out virsues or trojans i do and it is not fun give your head a good shake i can only hope you get nailed but good

[FlashOveride]

I like downloaded this script called Take over the World. The problem is I cannot figure out how it works!!

You know these programs are all written in some type of programming language. If you cannot figure out how these exploits work you need to learn more about computers. What the heck are you going to do with Sub7 when you don't even know how to work it?? Why do you want it? You need to spend more time learning the basics of computers and writing programs before asking stupid questions.

When you accidentally get it to work and fumble your way to get it on someones system. Then Bubba makes you his prison bitch and you will think back to this. If you don't know how to run it then how do you expect to keep from getting caught using it.

[PhirePhreak]

If you want to be a real hacker, don't use other people's programs, ESPECIALLY if you don't know how they work or how to use them. True hackers do their own "dirty work," they don't rely on other people to do it for them. A much better hacker doesn't even do anything malicious; they are typically the one's who fight lame cracker who are using other people's progs.

That's all that I will waste my breath on concerning the topic of "hacking" programs.

[hogfly]

ya know...this one made me laugh a lot harder than I have in a long time.

What kind of retard gets a trojan...and can't use it? I guess we all know now.

Maxlar : stop taking stupid pills and learn something. like tcp/ip.

You dumb monkeys make me sick. get a ****in clue.

Point and click is not hacking.

[tearsofnight]

why all the flames guys? what happened to "Trojans are bad. Lemme show you how program...."?

[neel]

i'M learning the ambacht (netherlands, my english is sometimes very very very bad) of hacking (i'm learning C++ and some linux shit) and I have the code of sub7 and i'm now busy figuring out how it works axactly, i don't use it because every virusscanner detects the server (ip adresses can be very often found in the header, specially if you're using hotmail). Am I still a script kiddie?

[neel]

i'M learning the ambacht (netherlands, my english is sometimes very very very bad) of hacking (i'm learning C++ and some linux shit) and I have the code of sub7 and i'm now busy figuring out how it works axactly, i don't use it because every virusscanner detects the server (ip adresses can be very often found in the header, specially if you're using hotmail). Am I still a script kiddie?

[Negative]

Neel, Neel, Neel...
I was going to say something, but I won't bother.

Keep up the good work, Neel! You're doing good! You'll be an Über-hacker in no time!

[Negative]

Neel, Neel, Neel...
I was going to say something, but I won't bother.

Keep up the good work, Neel! You're doing good! You'll be an Über-hacker in no time!

[tearsofnight]

you're only a script kiddie if you can't write a program to do what sub7 does. understanding of what a trojan does doesn't immediately strip you of the title of script kiddie. only being able to write all the programs you like to use makes you a non-script kiddie. and I'm referring to cracking programs really, not other programs. I don't expect anyone to be able to produce an OS entirely on their own while rewriting existing network protocols and drivers just to prove they're not a script kiddie.

[Negative]

Tearsofnight, I was a happy guy until I read your post. I guess I'll have to face it: I AM A SCRIPT KIDDIE! :duh:
Poor me.
At least I got da Borge up and blinking his eye.

[Quad]

you're only a script kiddie if you can't write a program to do what sub7 does. understanding of what a trojan does doesn't immediately strip you of the title of script kiddie. only being able to write all the programs you like to use makes you a non-script kiddie. and I'm referring to cracking programs really, not other programs. I don't expect anyone to be able to produce an OS entirely on their own while rewriting existing network protocols and drivers just to prove they're not a script kiddie.



I was going to light the blowtorch, but I'll keep it simple.

Mr. Tearsofnight: Please post some of your code (don't rip it either) lets see if you back such uber c0d3r blab.

I will await your non-response.

[CrazyShaman]

Well, buddy... the guys don´t like of these kinds of questions...
Go out, try to find out how it works and go seek for some tutorial, if you want it... Understand ? I´m not even a hacker, because I´m trying to become one... I´m just a newbie...
I just want to say one thing: Don´t do to the others what you don´t like to happen with you, ok ?

There´s a lot of information at the internet... take some tutorials, try to learn something... and be happy :idea:

:drink:

[Viper]

I say let the dood try it. If he get's caught, all the more reason to learn how to do stuff yourself and without the aid of other peoples backdoored proggiez. I was once a script kiddy. Until I faced the harsh reality of it all. Then I wrote my own stuff when needed and didn't count on other programs to get me in trouble.



Viper

[tearsofnight]

what kind of code? c, c++, java, or perl? and if you would be kind enough to post some of your code in kind after I post mine.... (keep in mind that my code is rather stupid as I do all my coding for school currently--but I can write a proggie if you give me the specifications. And don't say "A trojan". I won't supply stuff to more would-be 1337 script kiddies.)

[tearsofnight]

I only ask one thing: Don't choose something so ridiculously difficult or time consuming for me to code that it'll take me a month to write it. (i.e. device drivers, firewalls, huge databases....)

I'll respond when I've read your reply.

[B-Man]

OK, I'll join in for my first post to this site.

I will begin by stating that I'm a definite newbie. My current job deals with setting up "secure" OS installs, configuring firewalls, and general network tasks (routing, authentication, troubleshooting, etc.) I've been using Unix for a year now and no longer feel like an idiot, although I would say I've moved up to beginner plus.

After seeing tons of security bulletins, I've started digging into how these exploits are done. Most of what I see involves hackers writing their own code. So, I've figured that I need to start learning to program if I'm to understand further.

I have two questions:

1) What language should I study for maximum benefit. Currently, I have a very basic understanding of Perl and C++. While I can code some stuff, it seems to take me longer than "computer science" people I know. My code may work, but I don't always believe it is done the best way.

2) What should be my first program? What would be a good beginning task for a newbie?

B-Man

[tearsofnight]

Well, I'd say that your first program should be "Hello World!", and then you should write smaller programs and gradually work your way up to writing a a database for something with a good user-interface, then toss in sockets and make it web-accessible. Once you have that up and running, re-write it from scratch. If you can do that then you know almost all aspects of programming and you'll be a much desired asset. Of course, I know nothing about programming, so I'll shut my lame-assed script kiddie mouth about it and leave the much superior NoNeckJoe to answer your question.

[Terr]

Originally posted by B-Man
OK, I'll join in for my first post to this site.

I will begin by stating that I'm a definite newbie. My current job deals with setting up "secure" OS installs, configuring firewalls, and general network tasks (routing, authentication, troubleshooting, etc.) I've been using Unix for a year now and no longer feel like an idiot, although I would say I've moved up to beginner plus.

After seeing tons of security bulletins, I've started digging into how these exploits are done. Most of what I see involves hackers writing their own code. So, I've figured that I need to start learning to program if I'm to understand further.


I would recommend getting Hacking Exposed (2nd ed) (http://hackingexposed.com). At least for me, it gave me a really good picture at what kinds of things are possible and common, and basic avenues of attack.

I would add that most DAMAGE is caused by kiddies using code made by others on computers that someone didn't bother to fix. Or, I should say, the most MEDIA ATTENTION, rather than damage...

[B-Man]

Hey, thanks for the responses!

For tears, I'm okay with simple control structures, arrays, pointers, etc. I was just wondering how to "specialize". If it's simply "become a complete programming guru", then I could face some problems since I already have one occupation.

For terr, I already own Hacking Exposed, but it seems that most of the stuff in there relies on tools written by others. While I'm not quite dead against "script kiddies", since regardless of their coding abilities, they can still obtain the desired results if they understand the tools fully.

I purchased Hack Attacks Revealed, but that is a glorified code listing without hardly any comments on what the code is doing. I'm not against whipping out the debugger and stepping through what it's doing, but I feel that that book was written to a programmer and not even a typical "security professional" since most of my more experience colleagues hardly even touch code and they've done a pretty good job protecting the large corporation I work for. We've had two security audits and no penetration attacks succeeded.

Some of my colleagues believe that I'm possibly wasting my time since they believe if you know what to protect, that is more than half the battle.

My response to them is that every computer professional can't be so lax and that some of these attacks are taking advantage, through code, of things that can't always be easily protected.

B-Man

[Lascaux]

Quick question: I never thought that being a "hacker" had to have anything to do with breaking into computers or necessarily defending them. I always envisioned a hacker a someone with excellent computing knowledge that compiled programs to help them with their everday tasks,used it to secure their box, and spread the knowledge to others. Just about anything that had anything to do with computers they were into and were always out to find more, learn more, and integrate it into what they had. Was I really THAT wrong ?
(Hmmmm that wasn't so quick, and really wasnt a question till the end there......)

[MrLinus]

You're aren't wrong. It's just a different view. The "Mass Media" has begun and continues to use the term hacker as a negative view point.

The original meaning, in terms of computers, is what your definition is. This has been bastardized now to mean someone who maliciously or surreptitiously gains access to computer systems (machine or whole networks) for their own purposes and usually, their own gain. This may mean to get credit card numbers, free hard drive space or defacement of web sites.

Additional to this was the creation of terms like phreaker (someone who uses the telephone systems without having authorization to do so. e.g., gain long distance access without paying or voice mail box on telephone systems that don't belong to them) and of course, crackers (persons who distribute "warez" or pirated software and/or serial numbers for software). I suppose now-a-days the term cyber attacker or attack is more apropos for those that attempt to violate systems.

Just my measily .001 cents worth (damn exchange rate).