MAC or PC? (poll)

[limp1058]

Which do you prefer? MAC or PC?

[PhirePhreak]

I'd go for PC just because of the compatability issue.

[PhirePhreak]

I'd go for PC just because of the compatability issue.

[Terr]

To put it simply...

Bah. Mac. Mac Proprietary. Mac use Mac OS, Mac use Mac hardware, Mac use Mac software. Baaad.

PC use Many OS. Many PC hardware.

[Terr]

To put it simply...

Bah. Mac. Mac Proprietary. Mac use Mac OS, Mac use Mac hardware, Mac use Mac software. Baaad.

PC use Many OS. Many PC hardware.

[Craisins]

I just like the fact I can right click on a PC.

[ngagpa]

:o Without a doubt - gotta be a mac ...

[Dhej]

Originally posted by Terr
To put it simply...

Bah. Mac. Mac Proprietary. Mac use Mac OS, Mac use Mac hardware, Mac use Mac software. Baaad.

PC use Many OS. Many PC hardware.

Umm, the only OS's that don't work on Macs are Windows and OS/2. That isn't a problem for me. I mean, there are many distros of LinuxPPC, I am pretty sure that all of the BSD can work on PPC, there is Darwin (granted it is Apple made, but it is open source), BeOS works on older Macs.

Originally posted by Craisins
I just like the fact I can right click on a PC.

Obviously I must be crazy, for some reason the mouse connected to my Mac has four buttons, and even stranger, they all work. Oh my god! Um, I don't know about you, but I never use the mouse that came with my computer. I shopped around for a nice mouse to go with my PC and spent over 80 bucks so that I could have everything I wanted in it. Then when I bought my Mac, I went out and bought a mouse that had everything that I wanted in it.

I will take anything that I can install *nix on. That is the great equalizor. Why have a machine with a ton of horse power and stick with Windows or MacOS?

Compatibility, compatibility? what kind of compatibility are we talking about here, PC compatibility, are we speaking hardware or software? If I put Linux on a PC I have compatibility issues with Windows machines on PCs. If I put Linux on a Mac I have problems with compatibility with a Mac running MacOS.
Between MacOS and Windows, the only compatability issue is with software.

I hope Macintosh sticks around for a long time, just so it can be a thorn in Microsoft's side. (Funnily enough, Microsoft's Mac departent makes really good programs, often better than the counterparts for Windows, funny that.)

Just shut up and be happy you have a computer, you can turn it on, and it does what you want it to.

Dhej

[limp1058]

Overall, PC's just rule over Mac's.....I mean the marjority of the computing world uses PC's.....And it's my prediction that it's always gonna stay that way........

[Terr]

Umm, the only OS's that don't work on Macs are Windows and OS/2. That isn't a problem for me. I mean, there are many distros of LinuxPPC, I am pretty sure that all of the BSD can work on PPC, there is Darwin (granted it is Apple made, but it is open source), BeOS works on older Macs.


Well, TECHNICALLY, LinuxDistroHere for mac and LinuxDistroHere for PC are different OSes, because they are written differently for different processors.

Let's see PetrOS work on a Mac... Let's see a UMSDOS-based Linux distro work on a Mac... and how about DOS? :)

You know, this shouldn't be Windows Vs Macs, but Intel's Vs Macs...

Go Intel+clones!

[ngagpa]

Well, Yeah... I gotta confer. There's no doubt it's a PC world out there. This being a poll tho-I'm stating my personal preference. But yes Limp; I gotta agree with you. And Terr - although as usual, I'm quite lost in your reply, it does seem to deal with the limited amount of programs a mac will run. Kinda reminds me of the joke about, "If Microsoft was making cars - .... and macintosh would make a faster, more expensive car which only runs on 5% of the highways."

[Dhej]

"Just because Windows users vastly outnumber Mac users, numbers alone do not denote a higher form of life. Cockroaches outnumber humans many times over, and no one says a cockroach is better than a human." - stolen from someones sig in another forum


Well, TECHNICALLY, LinuxDistroHere for mac and LinuxDistroHere for PC are different OSes, because they are written differently for different processors.


Ok, so technically NT for Alpha is different than NT for x86, woopdeedoo.

PetrOS looks interesting, not something I would ever use, but interesting.

If IBM were making Apple's PPC, I would argue strongly for Macs, but Motorola is the biggest flaw I can find in them.

I use both x86 and PPC on any given day. I am not so blind as to limit myself to one, hell almost everyday I use a VAX VMS server. What works for the task you do is all you really need.

Bah, this is such a touchy subject, and I really don't care that much. I own several machines, a Pentium 120 mhz, 32MB RAM, running NetBSD; a PowerBook G3 400mhz ,1024MB RAM, running MacOS 9.1, Darwin, and soon Mac OS X 10.1; and a Celeron 466, 192MB RAM, running Win98 and Win2k(I had Whistler Beta2, PR1, PR2, on it for a while, but then I set it up for my sis and mom).

I am building my next machine, so obviously it won't be a Mac. That is the other biggest problem with Macs, one source of hardware for new machines.

GO computer makers, keep competing so that I can reap the benefits and get the best hardware possible.

Dhej

[ngagpa]

Dhej! - How did you get all that ram in a g3? I shorted out the whole daughterboard attempting the same and then they told me it couldn't be done. I was going for the mere gig. Assuming you're talking a pismo which supposedly is one of the few capable of such, a gig seems the max; that's kinda of an unusual number? I got my bronze up to 576 and have another 128'er sitting here calling my name every day - but, i got a little gun shy.:p

[Dhej]

I do have a pismo, and 1024MB = 1 Gig. I have two 512MB SODIMMS in it. I put 1024 down, because OS X reports my amount of RAM that way, where MacOS 9 reports it as 1 Gig. I just thoughtthe number looked funny. Apple still says that the maximum amount of RAM that the Pismo can take is 512MB, but I think that is because when it was released there was yet to be a manufacturer of 512 SODIMMs. Then when there were 512MB SODIMMs they cost over $800 a piece, now because of how low RAM prices are, I bought both of my 512s for $112 each. I thought it was too good of a deal to pass up.

I used to have 320, then I moved to 768, then I decided what the hell lets go for a whole gig. My next addition will be a bigger harddrive, IBM makes a 40 gig Travelstar, hopefully I will be able to save up for one of those.

Dhej

[ngagpa]

Okay yeah man - gotcha! That's exactly the route I tried although it seems maybe the bronze firewire rig isn't as expandable as the pismo. Yeah, although i'm stating my preferences above, I suppose it's also my limitation. If you're building your own systems, Dhej - that's gotta be a more 'free form' way to be. I am, however, pretty enthusiastic over this new OS 9.2x. It's a very stable classic; much improved over 9.1 /which I used to crash some 4-5 times a day (being majorly loaded w/extensions, mind you).:o

[rnapro]

I happen to be a long time lover of Macs. My career as a Network Administrator limits my use of Macs. I can do more on a PC now than I can do on a Mac. My heart will always belong to the Apple on my left, although my pay check comes from the PC on my right.:D

[Ruck]

Macs own PCs. Atleast PCs running WinBlowZ. Mac OS = 100% Stabler, More Powerful, Easier to Use (For some reason PC users have a infatuation with doing things the hard way), and it just looks a hell of a lot better. Also Mac produces the best procs out there.. but no one really seems to notice. (Please refer to the link in my signature about that one). I also like how you don't have to pamper your Mac as much as you have to with a PC. Seriously.. you look at a PC the wrong way and it'll crash.. or freeze.. or do any number of not-so-fun things.

[gstudios]

I gotta go with the PC. Cheaper, more applications available.
If money was no issue I would probably go with a Mac.

[stflook]

When you choose between a MAC and a PC, the basic choice you're making is between compatible and proprietary. I don't think it's a hard choice. I do understand that some people prefer the MAC, although I don't know why unless they do graphics work.

[Kezil]

Is it possible to cannabilize parts of a Mac into a PC? If so, can you still make it work well?

[Dhej]

Originally posted by Kezil
Is it possible to cannabilize parts of a Mac into a PC? If so, can you still make it work well?

It isn't likely, and it probably wouldn't be that much fun. The most you could probably get from the Mac is an ethernet card, maybe a modem, probably a little bit of RAM. And that is only if it is a newer Mac that uses PCI slots, if it is an old Mac that uses NuBus you might as well forget it(To prevent confusion, because I didn't word that right, I am not talking about RAM in this sentence).

I am not sure, but I don't even think that you could ripout a GeForce2 or GeForce3 from a mac and stick it in a PC, because of some firmware issues.

Basically, you would be best either buying the stuff, or just giving up.

dhej

[8trak]

you look at a PC the wrong way and it'll crash..
I dont know about that...

You can look at my pc funny, or kick it if you want, it wont crash.
In my opinion the reason alot of winbloz boxes have stability problems is
simply because it is too easy to set up a windows box, hence allowing those
who dont know what the hell they are doing to put systems together.

I dont know if you guys have had the same experience, but how many times
I've seen the core voltage set wrong, or the ram timing wrong.
Or the type of ram wrong for that matter! Goddamn 72pin ram...

Not that i think windows is the most stable os out there...
That'd be crazy talk, but that has nothing to do with hardware.
Remember were talking pc vs mac, not mac os vs windows.

On an un-related note, do mac's still use scsi floppy drives, or is that a thing of the past?
-8trak

[Dhej]

Originally posted by 8trak
On an un-related note, do mac's still use scsi floppy drives, or is that a thing of the past?

I think that describes exactly why most people have problems with Macs, they have no clue what the current Mac consists of.

Macs are all IDE now, they have AGP slots, and they no longer use NuBus instead they have PCI.

Not only that, but Macs don't come factory with Floppies, so the idea of it having a SCSI Floppy is REALLY out of date.

You can't compare a Mac LCII to an P4, well you can but it wouldn't make much sense too.

Sorry 8trak for picking on you, but I needed an example.

bah,
dhej

[SolidPez]

very interesting..more MACers then I thought there would be...

[SolidPez]

o yes, as for my vote... PC all the way!:p

[Focmaester]

Macs are cool, they just don´t appeal because of the price tag.

[ThePreacher]

Macs own PCs. Atleast PCs running WinBlowZ. Mac OS = 100% Stabler, More Powerful, Easier to Use (For some reason PC users have a infatuation with doing things the hard way), and it just looks a hell of a lot better

First of all I dont think it is more stable than the new XP, or my copy of Windows 98SE, which has never crashed. Second of all you are the first person to say that people using windows are doing things the hard way, usually people say this about Linux. As for looks, that is all about personal preference. I like the way that Mandrake Linux 8.0 with KDE looks the best. As for macs they have good parts(powerful graphical editing), and bad parts(cost). Until a mac has a lot of readily available cheap hardware, and all of the software applications that I need and want, it will never replace the pc in my house.

[Matty_Cross]

If I was a skilled graphics/video person, I would go with a Mac without a doubt...

But I'm not.... so I'll go with PC... I like my PC.. I like almost all PCs.. such customization ability.....

[Focmaester]

Originally posted by ThePreacher


First of all I dont think it is more stable than the new XP, or my copy of Windows 98SE, which has never crashed.

What do you know about stable? the Mac is by far more stable then Wintel is. Even XP is no match against NT 5

[ThePreacher]

Originally posted by Focmaester


What do you know about stable? the Mac is by far more stable then Wintel is. Even XP is no match against NT 5

This is what I know about stable. Windows 98se has never crashed on me. I have had my computer on for 53 days straight without having to turn it off. The only reason I turned it off was to install new software (mandrake linux 8.0). Its been 2 weeks since then, and i still have had no problems. I have no clue how stable Mac OS is, but I would say that my box is pretty stable.

[MrLinus]

Originally posted by Focmaester
Even XP is no match against NT 5

Huh? You're comparing a Microsoft product to a Microsoft product? NT 5, aka Windows 2000, has varies flavours. From people I've talked to Windows 2000 pro is ok but the stablest of the family is Windows 2000 Advance Server (I'm presently using it on my laptop).

I think an OS can be stable if you use it as it was designed to be used. I have a Mac that has been running for about a year now (would have been longer but I did an upgrade from 8.6 to 9.0.4/9.1). I haven't had any serious crashes (few apps hung up but I suspect it was due to the apps rather than the OS).

[UberC0der]

If you want to know the truth, both are pretty lame compared to an Alpha.

I only run mostly PC hardware because it its cheap, that is the only reason for me.

[DISLEX]

Has anyone else noticed that those who do like Macs have a low number of postings? I am talking about the number by thier avatar. Hehe.

I'm not saying anything is good or bad about this. I just noticed. :p


10110010,

[jnhager]

"In Fifty years when the United States becomes a socialist state, who do you think the people will choose? (Your answer here) My answer: Mac of course. PC and Linux are too democratic for them to survive. Let them choose what type of computer and OS I am to have. I am here to serve Mac."

This is one possible future between PC and Mac. Scary huh? Mac Groupies are just cult members behind the veil of a pretty cool logo. Anybody have any possible futures for the Mac?

Typed on a Mac, but networked to a PC.

[Ruck]

Originally posted by DISLEX
Has anyone else noticed that those who do like Macs have a low number of postings? I am talking about the number by thier avatar. Hehe.

I'm not saying anything is good or bad about this. I just noticed. :p


10110010, Know why that is?
Because Mac users don't have as much to bitch about. :D

[s0nIc]

by Terr
Bah. Mac. Mac Proprietary. Mac use Mac OS, Mac use Mac hardware, Mac use Mac software. Baaad.


i agree with this one very much.. coz this is mainlt why i HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE mac A LOT A LOT A LOT A LOT!!!

so do yourself a favour just get windows or linux.. 4get about mac..

[Ruck]

Yes.. well at least I can buy something for my Mac and not worry about it turning shit.. like on the PeeCee. So what if Mac wants to make sure all of their product are made to their specifications? Why are you complaining? That only means that the stuff that comes out is as good as it can be made. And you don't have to worry about buying shit from a shit producer like you do with all the shit PeeCee companies out there. :)

[s0nIc]

hmmm im a pro democratic person.. heheh

Apple Mac = Communist
PC = Democratic

long story---- short....

[Ruck]

Well.. if you like a "Democracy" that pumps out crap.. then sure. :)

[s0nIc]

haha i like PC coz i could have a wide range of sellections.. if one part is crap.. i can replace it with a better one...

unlike mac.. if one part is crap.. well there's nothing u can do.. coz u'd end up buying thesame thing.. haha

[Ruck]

That's the thing though. By Mac keeping ahold of their products I don't have to worry about buying crap.

[tH3#cL3aN3r]

You have a purpose for your machine and it works better with a pc than mac or if it works better with a mac than a pc.

That is all.

Its not what machine is better its the purpose that you use it for that make its better or worse.

I use both.

None is overall better.

The better machine has yet to exist.

If you find it drop me a line.

[jcmcb]

I have always used mac, and I think it is a stronger operating system, but in the end its not the tools but the man (or woman, or AI) using them!

PS Macs rule!

[Highlander]

Originally posted by Craisins
I just like the fact I can right click on a PC.

I can also right click on a Mac....
I know !! I have both and both have IntelliMice on them.
I also use a Compaq Keyboard, Installed stock hard drives
in Macs,
I also used staandard 168 pin memory in Macs

[thirdeg]

I keep on seeing the post 'the majority of the world uses PCs so Macs are crap', this is like saying the majority of the world drives Fords so Ferraris are crap! Just because the majority of the world uses something it doesn't mean it is better!

[DarC_KonQuesT]

I seem to be addicted to PCs... I tried a MAC once upon a time but I couldn't figure out how to turn the damn thing on!
j/k (I hope), I've just never had much experiance with macs so I can't make a strong educated decision...I'll just keep my PCs you keep ur MAC : )

[REDDFOX321]

I think that overall the mac is a better product.
I mean, for some reason people will pay thousands of dollars to get a decked out car over a car thats patched together, but wont do the same with PC's. I just dont get it. :verypisse

But I think i see the problem. It doesnt appeal to the folks familiar with computers. What macs are missing is the ability to customize. Sure you can get them in different tropical colors but im talking hardware. I think that if a hardware company other than Apple made cheap compatible parts so peeps could custom build their machines, the Mac would be KICKING. It really needs to be a Software company or a Hardware company. They cant be both. Its limiting the amount of potential customers by giving them 3 possible configurations for 5 computers. Take a look at what other hardware vendors have done for the Palm OS. Sony and (the almost deceaced) Handspring picked up where Palm dropped off and made an ( at the time) awesome product, hell, it even got Palm back on the ball (or close to it). Apple could definately get some marketshare back, cuz frankly OVERALL the packages they offer are SUPERIOR to those offered at DELL or Gateway.

But even if you do like Windows/Intel-AMD computers, I would recommend you looking into other Operating systems or even different hardware options before the Palladium stuff hits the shelves. I think that if enough people are aware of what Bill :lildevil: and his lackeys are up to it could either: 1) force them to give up the whole idea, or , 2) put them under for good. Actually even though I dont like M$ I would hate to see them go under. We need competition people!!! Its good for the evolution of the computer!!! Basically be aware of what happens when you spend your money, if we do lose Apple it all rests on Linux. :rolleyes: