Opera 6.0 [Archive] - Antionline Forums - Maximum Security for a Connected World

s0nIc

December 10th, 2001, 10:38 AM

well i have used Opera 6.0 for a week now and it kind of disappoints me.. for the reason that it distorts the webpage..

it doesnt display the pages properly... i dont know if you people have noticed this but i have..

i like the graphic layout of the browzer and ths schematics.. but its just that webpage distortion that bugs me a lot..

gstudios

December 10th, 2001, 10:59 AM

Very interesting. I was about to reply asking what you where talking about. (I am using Opera 6.0) But then, for some obscure reason, I couldn't stay logged in, to make a reply. So I fired up IE 6.0. And Low-and-behold. I now see what you are talking about. I find that, Opera complies to w3c specs better than certain other browsers. Not to mention, other people have flat out said it does, and pointed out that, one of the w3c board members, works for Opera. :D
Aside from that babble. I enjoy Opera greatly. I find that it kicks the pants off of IE (somewhat biased view, I admit) and Netscape. I find that Opera, is very lightweight, compared to it's counter parts. Good coding I presume. Because it offer's you a News/Email client also.
Anyway, that's my own humble opinion. :)
Oh, and Opera doesn't show you that crappy purple color for the scrollbar. :D

VictorKaum

December 10th, 2001, 12:36 PM

I'am also using Opera 6 and I still think it's great. When some page doesn't behave as it should be, then I use another browser for that page.

Anyway lot's of respect for Opera: they built a small, fast, stable, good browser as an alternative for M$ IE

Havanger

December 10th, 2001, 06:00 PM

don't you have to pay for Opera??

-Havanger

oblio

December 10th, 2001, 06:09 PM

Opera 6.0 TP for Linux is full of bugs.

Matty_Cross

December 10th, 2001, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Havanger
don't you have to pay for Opera??

-Havanger

Opera is free to use, but there is an ad bar.
If you buy it, no more ad bar..

Terr

December 10th, 2001, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by oblio
Opera 6.0 TP for Linux is full of bugs.

Opera 6.0 is in a beta stage, I believe.

As for page rendering, Opera seems to ignore the topmargin and leftmargin properties of the <body> tag. Whether these properties are 'standard', I don't know. I wish it did, though. But it's really not a big issue for me.

Conf1rm3d_K1ll

December 10th, 2001, 10:26 PM

More on Opera 6.0 can be found here (http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=133246)...

tazjam

December 10th, 2001, 11:49 PM

Actually, if you use Opera 6, it's the first version of it that i've used, in full screen mode you only see the webpage, no ad-bar at all..

Oso

December 11th, 2001, 12:12 AM

Well, I'm disappointed of Opera also. The banner sucks, and no, I have never paid for a browser, and I never will.

I use IE6, and works just fine, even though, I have to admit that I hate Micro$oft, pages are made primarily for that browser.

I wish Konqueror would give me more options...

There is the ANY BROWSER (http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/) campaign, which I think is a good effort to get rid of monopolies.

My site meets the requirements, why don't you all do it too.

Terr

December 11th, 2001, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Oso
There is the ANY BROWSER (http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/) campaign, which I think is a good effort to get rid of monopolies.

When you get down to it, Opera is less of a monopoly than AOL/Time-Warner/Netscape or Microsoft/IE! (Unless Opera has some sort of Mafia connections or something which I've never heard about.)

Opera also claims to only support HTML 'standards', in other words, not the fancy browser-specific crap from IE/Netscape. Why were you disappointed? I think the banner ads are tastefully placed and sized, and they don't chew up too much bandwidth...

(Yes, I know I'm becoming a rabid Opera fan... It just happened, I guess.)

Oso

December 11th, 2001, 12:49 AM

Yeah, Opera is fast, that's the best of it, but the banner I believe is way to big. I just don't want any banner at all. Why should somebody be trying to sell me something all the time?. (question kind of weird here on the US).

If Opera would get rid of the banner I might use it as my primary browser... and yes, I hate the plugins, but I guess I have no other option than using them. As most people.

Conf1rm3d_K1ll

December 11th, 2001, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by Terr

(Yes, I know I'm becoming a rabid Opera fan... It just happened, I guess.)

It didn't just happen. It's natural progression, or even evolution! We all start with the run of the mill browsers but the majority of us end up with the far superior Opera. It's just common sense......

Also Terr, I took your advice and disabled java. Opera hasn't crashed since. Thanks for the advice....

Vorlin

December 11th, 2001, 03:56 AM

As far as the banner goes, you *can* get around that, but I'm not about to post it, hehe...it's really trivial.

Second, about "free" browsers? I can tell someone here isn't wanting to pay for good software. Support good software, that's what I do and I'm damned proud of it. The reason everyone uses IE is because it's free and it's "incorporated" into the OS.

Oh, Conf1rm3d_K1ll, if you install the new java 1.4 beta for winblows, you won't have problems. I haven't had a crash yet with it and java's still on!

And finally, for those who have problems with pages that 'don't display right', maybe if these companies stopped producing pages meant for IE only with it's "MS oriented tags only", maybe then those problems won't happen. :D

Overall, Opera's MUCH better than IE anything, regardless of what IE "has over" it. I'll take w3c standards any day of the week over proprietary shite...

s0nIc

December 11th, 2001, 08:39 AM

ok there's another bug i noticed...

when i attatch something to my e-mails, in other words when i doe-mail attatchments, Opera gives me a msg prompting me that the Server has closed the connection. and i have to press the "attatch" button and read the prompt 3 times b4 it starts uploading the file. Which DOES NOT happen with IE. If i use IE the moment i press the "attatch" button it immidately uploads the file w/ no hassle..

and i always get this Java Runtime Environment error with Opera when i go to sites that has Java in it.. it says that the Java Runtime Envoronment is not compatible with Opera, which is damn annoying.

Terr

December 11th, 2001, 08:57 AM

Uhm... you can remove the banner, just pay for the excellent software. I don't mean to sound offending, but if you didn't pay anything for the hard work of the programmers, why complain about the banner? It's their way of feeding their families. And they do give you an option to give them more information on the kind of ads to display.

As for the plugins... You can disable and remove them if you don't want them running. And if you want a temporary change, in the 6.0 beta you can hit F12 to quickly and easily turn on and off the use of java, javascript, plugins, animated GIFs, popup javascript routines, browser identity, cookies, etc.

AFAIK IE doesn't like to give you that kind of easy control. You have tend to have to navigate through many layers of options.

Terr

December 12th, 2001, 07:41 PM

La de da de da....
Another Gaping IE Hole (http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/172878.html)

Apparently a website can cause you to automatically run any downloaded EXE files...

And all they have to do is put a META tag in the page to refresh the page to the EXE, and viola, then ran something on your computer.

itsme

December 13th, 2001, 07:28 AM

opera 6.0.........
well it does hangs sometimes n specially when i try downloading some file.
the only option then is to close it down n open it again.
find feature doens't works here on my sys.
does it work for u ppl??
also once the 'x' button on the top right side became disabled n it refused to exit normally while all the other things were workin fine within the browser. but that happened just once.

but these r small bugs n also not to forget that its in beta stage.
a nice interface n faster browsing.
don't know if there r any other browsers there with mail download features but this is the first one i have used.
n i find this feature absolutely lovely.
no more of MICROSOFT outlook(knowing they won't lemme delete the mails easily).

definitely its a finer alternative for IE.

s0nIc

December 13th, 2001, 09:06 AM

hmm well i did compare Opera with IE when it comes to speed and damn Opera is faster.. i both gave them the address to hotmail and Opera loded the page faster than IE..

so the speed does impress me.. :)

Vorlin

January 8th, 2002, 07:35 PM

*bumps to top* Having experimented with opera 6.0 for a while now, I can safely say I'm never going back to IE ever again (except to download the countless "updates" they have through Windows Update). It's the best and I suggest that anyone who's looking for a good alternative that's worth every penny to check out Opera 6.0. Worth every penny!

Conf1rm3d_K1ll

January 8th, 2002, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by Vorlin

Oh, Conf1rm3d_K1ll, if you install the new java 1.4 beta for winblows, you won't have problems. I haven't had a crash yet with it and java's still on!

Thanks for the tip but I took Terr's advice and just disabled java. No great loss...Also, the problem I had with Opera crashing was related to "proxomitron" rather than Opera itself (not to mention running ME)

Originally posted by Vorlin
Overall, Opera's MUCH better than IE anything, regardless of what IE "has over" it. I'll take w3c standards any day of the week over proprietary shite...

Very well said. I think Opera have got it together and truly do develop "the fastest browser on earth"....

protocool

January 9th, 2002, 02:31 AM

maybe you're using iexplorer much that you didn't apperciate the buty of opera 6.0.

Conf1rm3d_K1ll

January 9th, 2002, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by protocool
maybe you're using iexplorer much that you didn't apperciate the buty of opera 6.0.

You'll have to forgive my ignorance but I don't understand a single word of what you typed. Is this even aimed at me?

:confused:

dfgt5

January 9th, 2002, 05:11 AM

(i'm using opera 6.0 right now!)

i like opera becauser it:
doesn't take up 2953609235% of my r.a.m.
loads quickly
i like the hotlist feature (loads faster than i.e.'s favorites bar)
its small and i don't have to wait 23509 hours everytime a new i.e. version comes out
doesn't support activex
you can turn off images

Arach

January 9th, 2002, 08:28 PM

Well, this is what I can say about opera:

I've used it since ver 2.xx beta.

I LOVED MDI (and I still do!). Speed, and especially reliability in the ver 6.0 is amazing.

I run Dell Precision 420 with 256 MB of RDRAM, with P3 600, and it is just EXCELLENT!

Now, for those *broken* pages: for example go to www.nfl.com

You cant see the menu on the left and over the top of the page (just below the banner. You know why? Because in the style sheet (CSS file it loads) VALUES for the colors are writen like this: background: 3355EE
instead of
background: #3355EE --> notice the HASH (#)... dumb, and poor on the part of the designers/programmers. ANd M$ Exploder which ignores mistakes like that (*to make life easier for developers, I presume!?*) and the page looks ok.

Now, the nice thing about opera there is the ability to easily jump from USER and PAGE styles! And thats where I found the solution to the problem: I downloaded the style sheet from the site, plugged it into my user style sheet (I did that with 6 sites that are poorly coded), corrected those idiotic newbie errors and now I surf in page mode, but when I go to those sites, I just hit that button on the page toolbar.

Opera IS the best browser. It does Java (if you need it), and ActiveXYZ was/is garbage from the start. FOr all my needs it's perfect.

A.

casper3699

January 9th, 2002, 09:50 PM

I just downloaded and installed Opera 6 and so far it doesn't seem to bad. I kinda like the look of it. Where can you download the skins for it?

casper3699

January 9th, 2002, 10:26 PM

I like that you can build custom skins for it. It seems like it is a good browser.

Arach

January 11th, 2002, 02:23 AM

As far as the browsing experience:

MOUSE ACTIONS!

hold Right mouse button down and click left MB... NICE! No more stupid RClick - Back garbage.

Or my Fav: CTRL+SCROLL WHEEL.... (zooming)

Also, hold RMB+mouse down and then up (all along holding RMB) (opens a link in the bgrnd)... I mean...

As far as the User Interface, Opera is miles ahead of any browser.

Just a GOOD piece of programming! Thank you OperaSoftware!

A.

Terr

January 11th, 2002, 07:10 AM

Casper: Right click on the button-bar (with the back button, home button, refresh, etc) and the bottom selection of the list should be "Get Skins", which takes you to http://my.opera.com/customize/ .

Originally posted by Arach
hold Right mouse button down and click left MB... NICE! No more stupid RClick - Back garbage.

I just hit the backspace button. I did that in IE too.

Arach

January 15th, 2002, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Terr

I just hit the backspace button. I did that in IE too.

Well, If you like to use left hand. I don't. In any case, right click, hold the button and move your mouse to the left (BACK) or to the right (FORWARD). Or hold RMB and click LEFT (for BACK), and RIGHT (FORWARD). There is more, and that's why I said that Opera's UI is far ahead of IE.

A.

s0nIc

January 25th, 2002, 12:47 PM

I found another bug in Opera 6.0

if you go to www.vnunet.com (which is an excelent website for those who are interested on whats goin on in the computer security world..) and click any articles to read them.. you will notice that the text is distorted and all crunched up...

which is too bad coz i really love Opera's features compared to IE and well its just the distortion and the flicking of the gif images that bugs me..

tuxgoon

January 25th, 2002, 03:02 PM

opera 6.0 is a very standards friendly browser. You cannot blame Opera for the mistakes that Dumb webpage creators make when making an only ie friendly webpage. Opera is still the fastest and cleanest running web browser out there and its free. It doesn't dominate your operating system such as Internet Explorer. I rarely have problems with Opera accessing a webpage, but if I do, I copy the link into IE, and send the webmaster a message about their page not being standards compliant. Deal with the fact that Microsoft wants to dominate and get over it, but don't succomb to them and get sucked into using their products if you don't have to.

-TUXGOON

Vorlin

January 25th, 2002, 03:17 PM

I wouldn't say that's a "bug" in Opera 6. That's more like the webmaster or whoever made it didn't make it comply with w3c standards. When you can pass their validation check w/o any errors, then you've got a page that's 'any browser' compliant. I will say their dhtml needs help though, but that'll be good enough.

Get off the IE bandwagon and onto the Opera bandwagon! A neat thing I noticed with Opera that IE doesn't do: click on a link that takes a few seconds to load, then right click on a link in the page real quick and "Open in New Window", keep that menu open until the first link you clicked on resolves and then open it in a new window. It'll actually store the address and allow you to open that second link in the new window even though the page has already been left whereas IE won't. Just something else I like about Opera.

casper3699

February 1st, 2002, 04:44 PM

I have been running Opera 6.0 on a WIN2K computer and I love it. I didn't think i would but i do. I also dowloaded the Linux version but that one is giving me errors when I try to install the rpm on my Red Hat 7.1. Can anyone help?

Alexzel

February 1st, 2002, 06:09 PM

Hello Guys!

Good day to everyone! If anyone's interested in consulting a browser comparison chart, to know the strengths and limitations of each, just checkout the 2 links below:

1) www.searchengineworld.com/opera/faceoff.htm
2) www.webreview.com/browsers/browsers.shtml

A blessed day to all!

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hot_ice

February 4th, 2002, 11:52 AM

MADNESS!!! :)

When I first got Opera, I clicked something somewhere and it said something about mouse gestures, but I thought it was another stupid annoying feature, so I just clicked NO (which disables it) without really reading the entire message.

Then I read Arach's post about mouse gestures, it looked interesting, so I read Opera's help file on the mouse gestures and now I can't get enought of it!! I love it. It's a great feature and it makes everything soooooo much easier. If you haven't tried a bit of the 'mouse gesture' action - I suggest you get onto it!!

Greg

{P²P}Apocalypse

February 4th, 2002, 12:09 PM

What about Amaya or even Galeon (Gnome desktop) in Linux. I use Opera on mw XP box. But, I have been very satisfied with running Amaya or Galeon on my Tux Box under Mandrake. On my Tux box I have yet to encounter any problems with pages displaying wrong. With IE it's a regular hassle though on XP. Opera only once in a blue moon. Just goes to show you how stable Tux is. In some ways though it has more to do with the way the pages and/or site are built.

Just my $.02 cents worth. :D

proactive

February 4th, 2002, 12:10 PM

Opera 6.0 TP3 for Linux has just been released. This one actually works, the TP2 didn't. Finally an excellent browser also for Linux.

{P²P}Apocalypse

February 4th, 2002, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by proactive
Opera 6.0 TP3 for Linux has just been released. This one actually works, the TP2 didn't. Finally an excellent browser also for Linux.

Thanks for that info. I've not used Opera on Tux. I'll have to give it a try.
:D

hot_ice

February 9th, 2002, 04:44 PM

I didn't really believe that Opera was faster then any other browser. I didn't really think that there would be a noticable difference in speed. Anyways, I always use Opera, cos I like it's features better then IE. Well, it crashed while I went to www.hardocp.com - it always seems to jam when visiting that site (any other Opera users want to confirm this? Maybe it's just for me) - and I had to go back to using IE, cos I didn't want to restart the computer. Well, I couldn't believe how slowwwww IE was. The difference in speed is very noticable.

Greg