More innocent lives lost !!

[haraam77]

AHMADABAD - A Hindu crowd set fire to a block of Muslim homes thursday, killing at least 38 people, including a dozen children.................

Read the whole article here....
http://www.pakobserver.com/march2002/01/front/fnews02.shtml



Look at how these filthy cowards murdered innocent people.....but, sinse the victims were muslim..I doubt the whole story will be seen on CNN.....

[gstudios]

Religion is bloody.

[haraam77]

I made a mistake typing the link....here is the right one....thanks....and sorry.....

www.pakobserver.com/march2002/01/front/fnews02.shtml

[haraam77]

Nevermind....both are right....wow....lol. Time to take a break, later people. :2pick:

[souleman]

I don't really like getting into these religion discussions, but...Did you notice that there was only a couple of small paragraphs in the entire article that talked about why the riots were taking place to start with? Because innocent Hindu's were killed on a train. It doesn't even tell much about the attack that happened to them.

That is one of the biggest problems with media. It is alwasy one sided. The Pakastani Observer (Muslim Bassed) doesn't talk much about the reason for the attacks. Its the same way with media over here. The media portraid Mitnik as being as bad as a killer. He wasn't innocent, but he wasn't as bad as he was made out to be.

Trust only 1/2 of what you read, because 1/2 of the truth is somewhere else.

[jcmcb]

I have never understood why people must turn love of god to violence against there fellow man...is that really what the Supreme Being (whoever or whatever he/she/it maybe) intended?

Beware fanatasism of any kind!

[umbobo1]

We are all human, however flawed that might be. This was an act of revenge similar to many other acts throughout history. Through personal experience I have found that even revenge can not end my pain. It continues forever. Death brings about no pleasure and hope dies also. Nothing will bring about true vengeance and revenge will take you, as it did me, into a neverending downward spiral.

[SarinMage]

the idea of god, and god, thats a supreme being that must be adhered to no matter what is only used t ocontroll people... there are religions, where people dont have to follow one leader... and rarly do you hear of them fighting amongst eachother

[lovable]

muslims suck
they had been always the main reason for the riots in india.....

[Focmaester]

This whole thing started thanks to the muslims, if they hadn't attacked the train then this wouldn't be happening now.
respect respect etc yeah right, the Islam doesn't respect anybody
sorry to say it but look around in the Middle East and don't tell me those countries are ****ed because of us (the western countries)

[oblio]

haraam please spare your constant stream of pro-muslim crap. if muslims don't want war then you can tell your ****ing people to 1) stop suicide bombing 2) stop lighting trains on fire 3) stop attacking civilians. it is not like islam is a weak minority, with over 1 billion followers, you would think that they would be content but no, it seems more like if you are not muslim you die.

[Focmaester]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=220480#post466156) by oblio
haraam please spare your constant stream of pro-muslim crap. if muslims don't want war then you can tell your ****ing people to 1) stop suicide bombing 2) stop lighting trains on fire 3) stop attacking civilians. it is not like islam is a weak minority, with over 1 billion followers, you would think that they would be content but no, it seems more like if you are not muslim you die.


I couldn't of said it better Debris ;)

[Mr.Dos]

All I have to say life is a bitch then you die Get drunk Get high till the day you high I am a KIDDIE IN DIAPERS what about you?

[The_Borg]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=220480#post466180) by Mr.Dos
All I have to say life is a bitch then you die Get drunk Get high till the day you high I am a KIDDIE IN DIAPERS what about you?
Had to edit to fix this one....

[BrainStop]

As I said in the "violance" thread started by lovable

http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?threadid=220340#post464285

both sides of this conflict are guilty. It's not just the Muslim or the Hindus, both have their share of responsibility. For more information, see this timeline put together by the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1844000/1844930.stm

As you can see from it, this dispute is long-standing.

Both sides are wrong to use violence, that's all I want to say about it.

Cheers,

BrainStop

[s0nIc]

to be honest, i really dont know if i should believe the media or the govt anymore...
one, govt ****ed me over..
two, media made it worse..

simple as that..

[bimmer]

welcome neg points....
when it comes to Islam , i don't care what will happen .. !

first of all .... all of u guys who flamed Islam ... i don't recpect niether u or ur openion .....
2nd. i think u all narrow minded .. should read well before u post anything ... why ? coz' .... anybody can tell me what happened before the train attack .... why did the muslims attack the train ?
i think there's a good reason for that ....

3rd. what about i start flaming ur religons !
if u like the idea .. then a thread will start very soon

we r in the general chit chat forum ... !
i think it's better to call it the flaming chit chat !

[coolnads]

As usual first the tickle the mouse and when the mouse turns out to be a lion they cry foul.

pak vs ind.
osama vs usa

its all the same story......

[coolnads]

They attacked the train coz they THOUGHT that the hindus in the train are going to protest at the disputed site.

It seems u need to read few things.....particularly indi mytho. anmd indo pak stuff.

and what about the good old ploy....Intl. conspiracy to upset a nation.Wht amkes you think (bimmer) that it isnt Pak doing the goodies........its the best time u see with the tension on the border...??

[s0nIc]

to be honest... how did this whole thing started?? war between religions and govt? since when did this all began??

[coolnads]

Sonic i like ur avtaar....its cool

[haraam77]

How did this all get started?.....good question. I will not post on this yet......first I will do some research...non-biased....and I will make a post with opinions from both sides.....This may take a day or 2.....I want the info to be as accurate as posible. Allahu akhbar!!

Haraam77....:3pow:

[bimmer]

well .. i think i should wait for haraam tell he do the new thread .. but all i can say ...
it's a war against Islam ... why don't everyone goask his priest about Islam ...
and see what he gonna say about it ... !!!

[bimmer]

by coolnads
They attacked the train coz they THOUGHT that the hindus in the train are going to protest at the disputed site.

.. they want to build a temple instead of the mosque, what do u think about it !?


by coolnads
It seems u need to read few things.....particularly indi mytho. anmd indo pak stuff.
I'm not here to discuss the Pak vs. indea ... what i'm talking about is Islam vs ALL RELIGONS.
isn't it that way ....

by coolnads
and what about the good old ploy....Intl. conspiracy to upset a nation.Wht amkes you think (bimmer) that it isnt Pak doing the goodies........its the best time u see with the tension on the border...??

u might be true ... it might be all by Paks. side , maybe we can call it exploitation for the situation, but why would they do such a thing ?

[oblio]

the mosque issue is just partial, the muslims claim the hindus were stealing from their shops at the train station and refusing to pay. Is that a reason for 2000 people to light a train on fire? and who ever was bitching to me about giving them 'negative antipoints', let it be known that i never get any point for any reason.

[haraam77]

The hindus and sikhs in america have a reputation for being greedy, deceptive, and dishonest. I wouldn't doubt for one second that they are the same over there.

:3pow:

[oblio]

many muslims in america have that reputation too. they also have the reputation of being suicide bombing extremists, so lets just nuke all muslim nations so that we don't have this problem anymore

[preacherman481]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=220480#post465384) by jcmcb
I have never understood why people must turn love of god to violence against there fellow man...is that really what the Supreme Being (whoever or whatever he/she/it maybe) intended?

Beware fanatasism of any kind!

Jcmcb has something here. I'm afraid a lot of evil has been done in the name of religion. And it's surely not what God has intended. I'm also afraid that God gets the blame for what people do. People, please don't confuse God with the actions of people. I don't think God told the Crusaders to go to the Holy Land and kill Muslims. I don't think God told the Church to hold the Inquisition and to torture its enemies. And I'm very sure God didn't tell the terrorists to hijack jetliners and crash them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. As a matter of fact, the Bible tells us that God's Son, Jesus Christ suffered at the hands of religion. Who was responsible for having Jesus tortured and nailed to the cross? Prostitutes and adulterers? No, the religious authorities were responsible. Pick up a copy of the Bible and read the story yourself (Matthew 26:1-27:54). Please don't blame God for what some misguided people do.

[k41d3r07h]

I like that preacher brought up love...because God is love.
At the same time, Islam was a descendant of Ishmael..Abraham's first child with Hagar. I encourage everyone to read Gen 16:9 for the prophesy on Ishmael and his descendants...you'll notice it's still quite tru today. I don't have anything for or against Islam, but it just seems way too angry for me. I have read the Coran, and it seems they teach people to believe in Allah out of fear, that's where I disagree with the religion....because the Bible says "perfect love casteth out all fear".

[cgkanchi]

Look, I'm an Indian and a Hindu and I do think that what happened was terrible. But is that a reason to blame all Muslims. It's what people have been doing to hackers for years. Just because there were a few crackers who went around claiming to be hackers, it doesn't mean that all hackers are bad does it? The *******s who did it should be strung up upside down by their balls, but that doesn't mean that all Muslims are bad. Some of my best friends happen to be Muslims, and they are by no means the kind of people to set a train on fire. Do you think there aren't Hindu or Christian or Jewish militants? I really don't believe that a person is bad or even more likely to be bad just because of his/her religion. I also think that everyone who has made an anti-Islam or anti-Hindu or anti-religion comment should seriously think about what they are implying. I've posted to this thread only because I feel very strongly about this issue (as you can see), otherwise I would have ignored a thread of this sort. I personally don't believe in God for this very reason, there's too much violence carried out in God's name. I'm starting a new thread to explain to everyone who doesn't know the background of this violence. Look for it.
Till then,
cgkanchi.

[Ennis]

Hey all!
Im moving this thread to Cosmos at the request of a few people, I hope this dosent inconvience anybody, if it does let me know.

;)

[rcgreen]

God does not fight against himself,
nor does he instigate people
to fight each other.

I think it's obvious what's going on
here.


The five points of Calvinism:

1. Total Depravity. Man is a wicked vicious being.
There is NOTHING good in any man.

2. Unconditional election. God, and God alone
will decide who will be the chosen favored ones.
If he decides to have mercy on some, or none,
that's His business. See point 1 above.

3. Limited atonement. The blood of the son of
God was shed as a sacrifice to pay for sin.
He didn't waste his blood on those who
are not chosen. See point 2 above.

4. Irresistable grace. If He has your number,
you may as well surrender, because no matter how
bad you are (point 1), he chose you (point 2)
died for you (point 3). That's why gospel
means "good news".

5. Perseverence of the saints. If all this is so,
(review first 4 points), then you have assurance
to persevsere to the end.

If you think the "hell on earth" that you see today is bad,
wait until you see the real thing.
:cool:

[D.J.]

i won't get into pointing the finger, or sticking it up! people need to realize the beauty in diversity, first. second, people of God need to see that if they kill and wage war against others, then they are no better than a petty murderer. one side needs to be the "bigger man" and say "enough!". remember that a cycle, especially one of violence and hate is very hard to break, so efforts need to start now. it is sad that all this is happening, and worse, many views are bias.

[gold eagle]

rcgreen - I never heard about that before. Wasn't Calvin a churchman?

[Focmaester]

Listen here Bimmer, there is no war against the islam but a war against the so called "non believers" who are all the worlds population that does not believe in the Islam.
We Christians weren't all that nice during the crusades back a century ago but at least we grew up and stopped this nonsense. Only the Islam refuses to do so, look at Iran, I read in the paper this morning that the country is allmost entirley depressed because they can't do anything. No dancing no music no nothing. And the women stil walk around like mobile tents.
So what is your point being?

[rcgreen]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=220480#post466435) by gold eagle
rcgreen - I never heard about that before. Wasn't Calvin a churchman?

A major thinker of the protestant reformation, he
was a church leader in Geneva.
:cool:

[jcmcb]

I agree with Focmaster...

There is no war against Islam or Muslims by the United States or the West....

There is no question that some westerners hate Islam, just as some Muslims hate the west. But a few wackos do not condem the whole crowd. I don't blame you for the actions of Osama Bin Laden or Sadam Hussien, don't blame us for the actions of Sharon or other homicidal maniacs...

[bimmer]

sorry guys .. i wasn't following this thread ....
but anyway ..
first of all ... i don't like to go deep into this issue ... unless i want to be viewed as haraam77 and oblio .. as a guest !

but .. one thing i'm sure from .. is

my point of view will be always differ than urs coz' of
i live in a different community .
my religion is not urs

and i've been living for my whole life as a Muslim .. and believes in Islam .. guys it's 30 years ...

but i got through many religions and read allots of their books ... and i still believe in Islam ..

so thats all ... not more not less.

and if u wanna know what Islam has said about other religions .. or disbelievers as quran named them ... the, just read my signature

[jcmcb]

Bimmer -

If only more people of all religions could be so tolerant, the world would be a better place...

But they are not, and its not, so I go back to my job for yet antoher day....sigh...

[gold eagle]

rcgreen - thks. So he was Swiss then.

[BrainStop]

Actually, Gold Eagle,

Calvin was French ... http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/calvin.html

It was only in his thirties that he moved to Geneva.

Cheers,

BrainStop

[gold eagle]

Ok. Cool.