Religious concerns bout chip implant

[Remote_Access_]

I started a new thread on this topic cause Conf1rm3d_k1ll did have a good point:

How did such a good thread end up going all religous? The book of revelations? Please.....

I also wanted to add part of an article that I found at CNN. You can view the original story here. (http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/02/27/human.computer.chip.ap/index.html)

Religious concerns

The chip has drawn attention from several religious groups.

Theologian and author Terry Cook said he worries the identification chip could be the "mark of the beast," an identifying mark that all people will be forced to wear just before the end times, according to the Bible.


Both privacy advocates and religious groups have voiced concerns.
Applied Digital has consulted theologians and appeared on the religious television program the "700 Club" to assure viewers the chip didn't fit the biblical description of the mark because it is under the skin and hidden from view.

Even with the privacy and religious concerns, some are eager to use the product.
- (What's wrong with those people?)

Jeff Jacobs in Coral Springs, Florida, has contacted the company in hopes of becoming the first person to purchase the chip.

Jacobs suffers from a number of serious allergies and wants to make sure medical personnel can diagnose him.

"They would know who to contact, they would know what medications I'm on, and it's quite a few," he said. "They would know what I'm allergic to, what kind of operations I've had and where there might be problems."

The device has no power supply, rather it contains a millimeter-long magnetic coil that is activated when a scanning device is run across the skin above it. A tiny transmitter on the chip sends out the data.

"It's a sad time ... when people have to wonder whether it's safe in their own country," Bolton said.

Here's another picture of what the bug looks like:

[gold eagle]

hello RA. I don't want any chip in me for any reason. It's invasive.

btw - I'm not religious anyway.

[Remote_Access_]

Greetz gold eagle. I wouldn't want that damn bug in me either. It's invasive and an abuse of authority if you're religous or not. It's a big concern for everyone that wants to maintain their privacy in day to day life.. Especially since the UN wants to make it a global form of ID. If the law is passed that allowes them to use this chip you can say good bye to your privacy.

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[gold eagle]

Really? The UN wants to do that? Do you have a link I can read up on that...

[Alcatraz]

I hoped to God we're never stuck with a chip, like some stupid animal with a tracking collar.

I'd want the chip in my hand because then I could amputate, and keep the hand alive in a jar, on a circular conveyer belt so it looks like I'm constantly moving around in a circle...

[gold eagle]

That's pretty morbid Alcatraz. :) Better to cut it out and stick it on a bus or train car.

[Terr]

Have these people ever heard of DOG TAGS or maybe a BRACELET describing their medical conditions and blood type? Dear lord, I mean, seriously... First, the privacy aspect. Secondly, you can't take it off even if you really wanted to without considerable pain, thirdly, I am completely sure that dog-tags or a metal bracelet, being tried-and-true technology, will have less downtime than these chips, be more convenient to clean, change, see, etc, and will not have the same privacy issues.

eff Jacobs in Coral Springs, Florida, has contacted the company in hopes of becoming the first person to purchase the chip.

Jacobs suffers from a number of serious allergies and wants to make sure medical personnel can diagnose him.

"They would know who to contact, they would know what medications I'm on, and it's quite a few," he said. "They would know what I'm allergic to, what kind of operations I've had and where there might be problems."

Seriously, the guy should get in touch with reality, how many people are likely to have a handy-dandy Medic-Laptop 5000 with firewire chip-reading peripherals!? On the flipside, far-to-the-nth-power more people know how to read!

EDIT/ADD
RA, I can't seem to view that attachment bug_tracker.jpg. I get a permission denied site error.

[Ghost_25inf]

I can see where this is leading, maybe a good makeings of a movie but as we all know the goverment people are sneeky and you may never know you might get the chip installed in your next trip to the hospital or this could be implemented into the armed forces. you see anyone who joins the military have given up there rights to everything, we are nolonger our own person the gov owns you. did you know if you get a sun burn in the military can lead to extream punishment. but besides that you could never know if you get the chip and this case senerio has been proven time and time again. Look at viruses made by the goverment and tested in different cities. So be causes to who your local doc is. Once we get this chip in us we will nolonger be free just another prisoner in our own country size cell.


We are all lab rats in a big maze.

[gold eagle]

Terr I get the same error. The bracelet thing? Yes. Better and already in place. Besides, RA said the UN wanted to push this stupid thing. The UN personnel already have bracelets and watches that are sat tracked so why the need for the implant? It can only be for control.

[Remote_Access_]

Hrm.. I clicked the link and got the same message. Try to right click and go to 'Save as..' That should let you download it. With out a power source, it's gonna make it that much harder to detect the bug. It's already gonna be a pain in the ass cause it's only a bit larger than a grain of rice.. but if they ever put on in my, I'll find the !@#$@# and properly dispose of it. I dunno, personally if I had a medical condition, I wouldn't mind wearing the bracelet. There's no telling what other information they can find out about you by scanning you for 'medical' purposes.

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[gold eagle]

Went to the UN site and searched for info on this but I didn't find anything???

[valhallen]

Gold eagle/Terr - ditto error here as well......reported it in oops a bug

v_Ln

[thesecretfire]

The level of privacy violation is a problem...think about this: Someone with a briefcase accidentally bumps into your arm. They could put a scanner in the briefcase, and boom! Spam, telemarketers and junk mail start coming your way...or worse, they could buy stuff in your name, etc.

[gold eagle]

Maybe something else to think about. What happens when you get your credit card gets stolen or compromised today? You just get a new one. Imagine going to a clinic or govt hospital to get a new chip for this.

[Terr]

Another consideration... How much of the world is rich enough to do this anyway? The main expense would be in the scanners, I gather... I mean, to some extent that's like suggesting that travel via Segway be mandatory! I mean, think of the impracticalities of doing it on a national scale... and if you DON'T have it on a national scale, a precious FEW medical staff will likely have a scanner and know how to use it.

That, and I can certainly see people making versions which can be reprogrammed with special signals so as to give different answers in response to a challenge signal... Person walks by, person scans your chip by accidentally bumping into you, person makes humungous purchases in your name... It'll be like a Social Security number, only with even worse abuse given the skin-deep (pardon the pun) appearance of security it offers.

[Remote_Access_]

Good point Terr.. In one of the articles they stated that the going price for one of these chips will cost $200. If they plan on doing this new method of 'identification' they're gonna need to find a cheaper means of making the product.. but I doubt that will take long. I can also see certain flaws also but after the authorities figure out the vulnerabilites, they'll have to reconfigure the bug, may be even have to take it out, and that can cause infections, skin irritation, and other things. I also wouldn't doubt the abuse of these scanners. I'm sure there's alot on those bugs other than just your medical records and anyone allowed to use those scanners will be able to view that information. Regardless of how personal and private.

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[debwalin]

Hey everyone...listen I wanted to get back to what the original thread was....religious concerns about the implant. I do have some serious reservations about this chip...no I don't think this is the mark of the beast persay, but I think we are coming closer and closer to the technology that is going to allow it.
Another little drop in the bucket here is it also says in Revelations that we will all be ruled by one government, and have one type of global currency. Does anyone remember not too long ago when European countries (and you'll have to excuse me here, this is a vague recollection) started a type of ATM card that can be used interchangeably at machines throughout Europe? I think we're getting step by step closer to the end times with each new technological breakthrough.
BUT and I mean BUT people have been thinking the end of the world was coming since the beginning of time....this is just my 2 cents worth. And I guess I should also say, I'm right there with everyone else waiting for the next big computer advance, and I participate in my share of the new technological advances also.... :confused:

[gold eagle]

hi debwalin. actually almost all atm cards can be used all over the world. I have used mine in several countries for years now.

[debwalin]

Okay, I knew I was going to get creamed on that one for not having my facts straight so I went back and did some research on CNN.com. I finally found what I was looking for, which was the fact that European countries as of 01-01-02 have started converting to the euro, rather than using the individual currencies of their country, i.e. France has stopped using francs, and now uses euros. That is what I was refering to (I should have gone and gotten my facts first!!) :D

[ajnabee_janoon]

I watched a christian TV show last night called the "700 Club". The main concern for the show was these implants. Besides the religious beliefs and the number of the beast, etc., etc. They made some good points. They pointed out that even though now it is being considered for medical purposes, it can and will also carry all personal ID info as well. Also, they said in the near future, in order to get a high paying government job, it may be mandatory to have the chip implanted to get hired. This would also include nuclear plants, aerospace tech. industries, and possibly NASA and others like it. There is no way I would ever allow this to be implanted in me. :rolleyes: