Will computers ever be able to show human emotions?

[Negative]

Cosmos Games.

Okies, here we go:

You can post whatever you want (on-topic, of course, and defending the point of view from the team you were assigned to) untill Saturday, March 23.... After I close the thread, I'll post two polls (my first ones!): one to vote for a team, and another one to vote for an individual.

Just keep in mind: this discussion will not be about who has the best arguments (if you vote for your own team in the polls, you're actually defending the point of view you don't agree with - scary, hu?)...

Here's the question again:

Will computers ever be able to show human emotions?

Here are the teams:

Defending the NO point-of-view:

Alcatraz
Cgkanchi
Chsh
DebWalin
Gold Eagle
Hot_Ice
MsMittens
Noia
Psychosquee
Remote_Access_
TotalChaos(D~Sq
Uzerfrendly
WebCarnage

Defending the YES point-of-view:

Flibberdy
Lord_darkside-x
Negative
Preacherman481
PWaring
RcGreen
VictorKaum

Posts from people not in this list will be removed...
Posts from people defending the point of view from the team they were not assigned to, will also be removed...
AntiPoins are not allowed (although I'm not gonna delete posts with assigned antipoints...)

To keep things clearly structured, I suggest you start each post with YES, computers one
day WILL be able to show human emotions, or NO, computers will NEVER be able to show human emotions...

Enjoy, keep it fair, don't get confused, and good luck ;)

Neg.

[rcgreen]

DISCLAIMER
This is an organized debate. Statements
made here are not necessarily the opinions of
the participants

Yes, computers will, one day, be able to show
human emotions.

The rate at which computer processors increase
their capacity is exponential. Eventually, a database
of emotions, with amazing subtlety, will be
constructed, so that a computer can react appropriately
to any input. Only a genius (or a psychic) will
be able to detect the difference between a
computer generated response and that
of a real person.
:cool:

[Alcatraz]

No, computers will not be able to show human emotions.

The definition of "Emotions":

1: the affective aspect of consciousness
2a: a state of feeling
2b: a psychic and physical reaction (as anger or fear) subjectively experienced as strong feeling and physiologically involving changes that prepare the body for immediate vigorous action

Emotions are something that only conscious, thinking beings can have. Emotions are reactions triggered by any and all events percieved by a human. They are executed much like code would be executed in a computer. But a computer does not know it is happy, it merely knows that:

If blah blah blah Then I am Happy

Right now I'm a little annoyed that I can't think of anything to say, so I'll wait for some more "Yes" people to respond and I'll reply to that.

[preacherman481]

(This is inspired by what both Alcatraz and RC Green wrote.)

Yes, one day computers will, one day, be able to show human emotions. What are emotions after all? Aren't they simply the way we respond to various and sundry stimuli? Aren't we programmed? As we grow and have experiences, we learn. For example, a small boy puts his hand on a hot stove. He burns his fingers and it hurts. The next time he encounters a situation where he may be burned he experiences fear. His brain has been programmed (encoded) according to the prior to experience to perceive the possibility of a burn as fear. If he indeed is exposed to fire again with the possibility of being burn, he may have feelings of fear whether or not he is burned. He may rationally know he won't be burned, but his "fear" programming takes over.

Another example. Someone insults you and you feel embarrassed. You have been programmed to react toward embarrassment in a certain way. Your face may turn red and you're body may feel a wave of warmth come over it. That's only your body reacting to a stimulus. It will do this regardless of your rational processes. You're body is only reacting to its programming.

A computer can be programmed to react to certain stimuli in certain ways. A given set of stimuli might be programmed to cause the computer screen to display a certain set of icons to indicate fear. Given enough technological advances, the actual chemical reactions and physiological changes associated with human emotions could be duplicated in computers. They too would have artificial nerves and skin that react to hormonal and chemical changes in the same way that our real nerves and skin react.

[Flibberdy]

Yes, computers will be able to display emotions. I believe so on the simple basis that humans can show emotions. All we have to make us feel and show emotions is our brain. Our Brains are simply a collection of neurons interspersed with little conducting wires of nerve cells. Our brain's function by cells repsonding to certain electrical impulses in certain ways, which is essentially what computers do. Also, given the rapid advancement of DNA based processors, it won't be long before the computers that we use will be harnessing DNA, which means they will be almost exactly like our brains.

[chsh]

No, computers will never be able to show human emotions.

What you need to look at to understand this is how humans get their emotions. Humans get their emotions from chaos, not from logic. Computers are all based on logic, and as such, will have entirely predictable reactions. Humans are very unpredictable by nature, machines are not. While computers are indeed getting more complicated, they are still a drop in the bucket compared to the power and complexity of the human brain.

Computers will never be able to truly exhibit emotions because simple things (like mood) are beyond them. They are, and ever will be, incapable of feeling, which is the basic component of emotions. That extra 'something' beyond simply the chaos of emotion is what makes us human. We have yet to define that extra 'something' so I don't see how we can recreate it in something else -- and I highly doubt that such a recreation would work.

PS: Just as a general idea, if you all haven't read it yet, I recommend a book entitled When HARLIE was one, by David Gerrold, it deals directly with this topic.

[MrLinus]

Perhaps it helps to define what emotion is. From dictionary.com:

e·mo·tion Pronunciation Key (-mshn)
n.
1. A mental state that arises spontaneously rather than through conscious effort and is often accompanied by physiological changes; a feeling: the emotions of joy, sorrow, reverence, hate, and love.
2. A state of mental agitation or disturbance
3. The part of the consciousness that involves feeling; sensibility

One of the things we have to realize is that we have some undefinable things within humans, namely this thing we call a soul. Emotions are not simple responses to stimuli. Love and hatred are not responses to stimuli and when started on their own can be quite strong. Our emotions are partially learned and partially nature. Babies laugh before they hear it or are shown it. They learn in time that certain things cause laughter.

They are not necessarily programmed in us. We learn some but others come from within. Not all our emotions are nutured (aka learned from others). Some are actually part of us. Ingrained within us.

If a machine/computer was programmed to learn and respond to stimuli then it will just respond to the stimuli. It will not necessarily "feel" emotion.

Machines or computers are often programmed to do nothing more than things that we ourselves cannot do. They were created (and in their present state will remain in this fashion) to "help" us do more. They are nothing more than tools.

Computers will probably reach a state where they learn and adapt but that adaption will be based on preset values of probably 0, 1 and 2. The idea of decision making and making decisions based on emotions are not things that computers will necessarily do.

[lord_darkside_x]

Yes, computers will one day be able to show human emotion. consciousness is basically the ability to predict and then observe the results of action. this is a basic concept of consciousness, but in the respect of human life, this is how it is done. if a computer had sensors to collect the data of results of actions... ie. optical, audio, and such.... it could be programmed to respond to it accordinglyto learn when certain emotions are appropriate, much as we all did as little children. throw in an algorithym and a random for irrational emotional response, and you have an emotion showing computer. it would feel bad when you lose your job, it would be happy when you won the lottery. the only difficult part would be telling the system what these things are (love, happiness, sadness, anger) because they are different for everyone. but if people came up with a general concensus (say a group of 1000 test subjects) and then that info was fed to the computer, it could come up with its own definition, just as many of us did at a young age... can it be done? i think it is highly probable

[Remote_Access_]

NO, computers will NEVER be able to show human emotions...

Emotions are too complex for computers to comprehend and most humans. What happiness is varies from person to person and the possibilities are endless. You can't programm every possible "IF this then (emotion) BUT IF that then (other_emotion)".
A computer is without a heart, soul, and mind of it's own. With out those 3 things, emotion cannot be felt.

Emotions are a state of mentatlity not a program or application. With the technological advances in AI, showing emotions may one day be a possibility but feeling them will not. You can't expect a computer to be a social being, that's not what they were designed for. You can't feel friendship or any other emotion by a program, code, or script. This is a bit off the topic but, would you really want your computer to have emotions any way? As many errors that I cause, my computer would hate me in a matter of minutes.

Remote_Access_

[preacherman481]

Yes computers will one day be able to show emotion.

The question is not whether computers will be able to feel emotion, the question is whether computers will be able to show emotion. That is different. Humans may show emotion by facial expressions or a blush. If a computer shows emotions by displaying certain icons and/or changing the color scheme of its screen is that computer not showing emotions ?Please read the question carefully as Negative stated it. He did not say, "Will computers be able to feel emotions?" He said, "Will computers be able to show emotions?" I submit that "to show" emotions is to exhibit certain outward expressions which indicate that a particular emotion is taking place. To feel, something is an inner, subjective state. To show emotions is to give demonstrable outward expressions and signs. The two things are different. As a human, I may feel certain emotions; however, through self-control I may choose not to express or exhibit them.

[Alcatraz]

No emotions for the empty, heartless, little computers.

To show emotions, you must first feel them. Suppose I was feeling happy, but I decided to tell my friends that I was depressed. I might even use facial expressions and body language to do this. But really, all I'm doing is acting and pretending. I am not showing an emotion I am simply pretending to do so.

Computers can really only pretend. They can't feel anything, they only follow logical sequences of code that tell them when to "act" depressed, or happy, or angry.

You can't truly show an emotion without first feeling it.

[rcgreen]

DISCLAIMER
This is an organized debate. Statements
made here are not necessarily the opinions of
the participants

Yes, computers will one day be able to show emotion.

How do you know that humans are capable
of showing "human emotion"?
You may have feelings, but how can you prove it
to me? If I interpret your communication of
your "feelings" as evidence that the feelings
are really there, why should I refuse to believe
the computer when it tells me that it too has feelings?

Since I cannot experience your feelings, or the computer's
feelings, I can only either judge by the quality of the
communication, or base my judgement on the
dogmatic assumption that The computer can't have
feelings because it is not "like us", not "alive",
"not a member of my race",etc.
:cool:

[Remote_Access_]

NO, computers will NEVER be able to show human emotions...

You can't SHOW human emtions with out FEELING them. Every human on the planet Earth is capable of showing HUMAN emotions. They're not called computer emotions, software emotions, or anything else. They were created and designed for HUMANS. The only reason that a computer would have emotions would be if a human programmed them into it or designed some type of software for that purpose. You can only experience your own feelings but that dosen't mean that you can't read and understand some one elses. Emotions are a form of communication between humans, not computers. Alcatraz beat me to it but that was the foundation of my post here. I couldn't agree more with this quote:

You can't truly show an emotion without first feeling it.

In responce to your question preacherman, NO..
If a computer shows emotions by displaying certain icons and/or changing the color scheme of its screen is that computer not showing emotions ?

Displaying certain icons, changing the background, or changing the color scheme isn't a way of my computer expressing an emotion. That's just what I was refering to earlier. The only reason a computer would have an emotion would be "IF this then (emotion) BUT IF that then (other_emotion)".. That's just a program, application, or script telling the computer to respond to certain environments and variables that I tell it to. It's not a reaction or response of it's own.

To feel, something is an inner, subjective state. To show emotions is to give demonstrable outward expressions and signs.

Ok so how do you think the computer would express an emotion? It would come from some where INSIDE the computer. From an application, program, or script that exist inside the computer. A computer wouldn't shead a tear at a funeral and it's not going to shake your hand and congraduate you on a job well done. You can run test on 1000s and 1000s of people and you'll still have different definitions of what each emotion means and how they are expressed. Computers will have a limited definition of them and methods of expressing those emotions.

Remote_Access_

[preacherman481]

Yes, computers will be able one day to show emotions.

When I have a "feeling," what is it really? Isn't it just the way my body perceives the complex interaction of hormones and other chemicals? Isn't it the result of the interactions of different sets of nerves? When it comes right down to it, isn't our ability to having "feelings" dependent on electrical impulses and chemical reactions? Aren't the things we call feelings just the end result of biochemistry? How can you be sure that one day these things won't be able to be duplicated by scientists? Perhaps one day the "Data" of Star Trek the Next Generation will be a reality. If the argument is that computers can't have emotions because they don't "feel" them inwardly, I submit that one day scientists will be able to emulate our human chemical reactions and electrical impulses and enable our "Data" prototype to "feel" the same things we do. A computer driven robot with the same chemical processes and nerve make up should "feel" what we feel.

[lord_darkside_x]

You can't SHOW human emtions with out FEELING them.

you can't know what it's like to be in space without being there.... but it can be simulated. in the same way, computers will be able to simulate an emotion and from there our human brain will interpret it as that said emotion. many things have been simulated, even to the point were reality and simulation can not be told apart, flight simulation, car simulation, space simulation, simulated drunkenness, the list goes on forever.

have you ever asked a friend why he or she is down, only to find out the said person is not down at all? this is a lack of ability to comunicate a said emotion. the person my feel very happy, but not express it well... this is a case of not showing a felt emotion. so couldn't this situation be reversed, showing with out feeling?

Emotions are too complex for computers to comprehend and most humans

i agree... everyone understands an emotion differently... this is why i said this.... . if a computer had sensors to collect the data of results of actions... ie. optical, audio, and such.... it could be programmed to respond to it accordinglyto learn when certain emotions are appropriate, much as we all did as little children. throw in an algorithym and a random for irrational emotional response, and you have an emotion showing computer. it would feel bad when you lose your job, it would be happy when you won the lottery. the only difficult part would be telling the system what these things are (love, happiness, sadness, anger) because they are different for everyone. but if people came up with a general concensus (say a group of 1000 test subjects) and then that info was fed to the computer, it could come up with its own definition, just as many of us did at a young age...

i hope that covers your point. we already know computers are beginning to "learn" take that and kick it up a level... in time it could be done.

[Flibberdy]

Yes, Computers will be able to show emotion. I notice that a few people have commented that a system based on logic would be incapable of displaying emotion. That is debatable in itself, but I ask that we look to the future, to the realm of the Qubit. At the moment computers are based on the Binary system, i.e 1 = yes, 0 = no. However, scientists are harnessing the power of quantum mechanics and using this to their advantage. Basically, a quantum computer harnesses the spin of an electron and also Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle. Put Simply, they set the computer working on a problem, but never look at exactly what it's doing. Hence, it looks at all possibilities at once (think Schrodingers Cat). So there we have it, a massively powerful computer: a simple 2 Qubit computer is already more powerful than any computer (including super computers) in the world. So computers will have the processing power to work out every possible response to a set of stimuli in an instant, surely then Emotions being felt and displayed will be a piece of cake.

[Remote_Access_]

NO, computers will NEVER be able to show human emotions...

When I have a "feeling," what is it really?

OK, we've all read the definition of emotions. Let's see what dictionary.com defines feeling as.
Note: These definitions can be viewed at dictioary.com by searching for "feeling" but not necessarily in the same order.

Feel Pronunciation Key (fel)
v. felt, (flt) feel·ing, feels

1.) a. To perceive through the sense of touch: feel the velvety smoothness of a peach.
b. To perceive as a physical sensation: feel a sharp pain; feel the cold.

2.) a. To touch.
b. To examine by touching. See Synonyms at touch.

3.) a. To undergo the experience of: felt my interest rising; felt great joy.
b. To be aware of; sense: felt the anger of the crowd.
c. To be emotionally affected by: She still feels the loss of her dog.

4.) To produce a particular sensation, especially through the sense of touch.

5.) To produce a particular impression; appear to be; seem: "It feels good to be home."

6.) To be conscious of a specified kind or quality of physical, mental, or emotional state: felt warm and content; feels strongly about the election.

a.) To seek or explore something by the sense of touch
b.) To have compassion or sympathy: "I feel for him in his troubles."

7.) Overall impression or effect; atmosphere: “gives such disparate pictures... a crazily convincing documentary feel” (Stephen King).

8.) Intuitive awareness or natural ability

Emotions are more complex than that of biochemistry. But let's say that that's all it is for the moment. Biochemistry is the chemical composition of a particular living system or biological substance. So wouldn't that eliminate the possibility for a computer to be classified as having feelings and emotions? Emotions and feeling are a natural ability, not something that can be programmed into a computer.

it would feel bad when you lose your job, it would be happy when you won the lottery...have you ever asked a friend why he or she is down, only to find out the said person is not down at all?

Haha, that's rediculus. Do you think your computer or robot is really going to give a shit whether you lose your job or win a million dollars? No, of course not. Yeah, I've asked plenty of my friends why he/she is down and 99% of the time, they are. It's not that hard to tell when a friend is down. If they say they're not and obviously they are, then it's not the lack of my ability to communicate with a said emotion. It's just them not wanting to express their emotions. A computer would not have that option. If computers could show emotions they would have to all the time. They wouldn't have the ability to chose when to express their emotions. They don't have the option to keep their emotions to their selves without expressing them because they are defined by logic. Showing, feeling, and expressing emotions are not. They are more complex than what you think and it's not a piece of cake.

Remote_Access_

[lord_darkside_x]

it would feel bad when you lose your job, it would be happy when you won the lottery...have you ever asked a friend why he or she is down, only to find out the said person is not down at all? it would feel bad when you lose your job, it would be happy when you won the lottery...have you ever asked a friend why he or she is down, only to find out the said person is not down at all?

change feel to display... my bad.

It's just them not wanting to express their emotions. A computer would not have that option. If computers could show emotions they would have to all the time. They wouldn't have the ability to chose when to express their emotions. They don't have the option to keep their emotions to their selves without expressing them because they are defined by logic. Showing, feeling, and expressing emotions are not. They are more complex than what you think and it's not a piece of cake.

you misunderstand. the computer will not have the said emotion. it will reflect or display a false emotion in order to reflect the way it should feel assuming it could. it will be nice to you, even fond of you (in some demented sense of the word) i agree that emotions are complex and that the computer will not feel them... but i think a computer can be programmed to show an appropriate emotion to a said situation. as i said before... all through the learning capacity that is being developed... once ai takes effect, emotions will be an even simpler sset up.

logic would work anyway becuase the system would not feel. it would display appropriate emotions instead. it would prolly be more appropriate then what some people are feeling due to the fact that it would respond logically to the information, something human emotion fails to do.

[hot_ice]

NO, computers will never be able to show human emotions.

Computers will never be able to show human emotions because they are not human. We humans are living creatures, we have been created over millions of years and we are all unique. There may be billions of us on the planet, but no two people are exactly the same. Computers, on the other hand, are all basically the same. If we talk about one model of a computer, it will always produce the same output when provided with the same input (unless you are running Windows, anything could happen then... :) ).

'How is this related to emotions?' you ask. Well, since we are all unique, we react to situations differently. If two people are in the exact same situation at the exact same time, I can assure you the feelings they have, the thoughts that are running through their minds, the reactions they take will all be different. Put a couple of computers under the same circumstances, they'll do exactly the same thing.

I read an article recently in The Age (Melbourne newspaper) and something from it stuck in my mind and is perfect for this thread:

Mr Bullock also predicts a computer which could replicate human brain processes may be developed in the next 10 years.

The entire article can be found here: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/03/14/1015909877745.html

If you look at this quote from the article, you notice the word 'replicate'. Computers will be able to 'replicate' human brain processes. You see, we humans do not replicate how we feel. Everytime we feel something and think something it is different to how we thought of felt before. It's always different. It may feel the same, but there are always slight difference.

For example, when we meet our mum at the airport who we haven't seen for 2 years, we feel great happiness and joy (or something similar). Say she leaves again, and like 5 years later we go to pick her up again and she's been away for 2 years again. We also feel happiness and joy, however, we do not feel exactly the same. There are always differences, they may be big or small differences, but there's always something.

If you put a computer in a situation like this, they will 'replicate' what they have been taught. They will 'replicate' what they have been programmed to do. They have had no choice in how they feel. Yeah, there might be some 'IF' statements, but is that choice?? :) No, that's just telling it how to think. Wheras ourselves, we don't need someone to tell us how we feel.

Computers will never be able to have human emotions. Us humans have an infinite amount of emotions, you could never in your lifetime describe all of them perfectly. If all our moods were to be explained by words, JP's 'mood' feature would be an infinite combo box that would struggle to run on all storage devices available. You cannot write a program for a computer that never ends now can you? Computers may be able to match our brain power, but they will never be able to feel what we feel.

Greg

[lord_darkside_x]

we have been created over millions of years

that is one theory.... but only a theory... no theory on the beginning of life has become "accepted"

If you put a computer in a situation like this, they will 'replicate' what they have been taught. They will 'replicate' what they have been programmed to do. They have had no choice in how they feel. Yeah, there might be some 'IF' statements, but is that choice?? No, that's just telling it how to think. Wheras ourselves, we don't need someone to tell us how we feel.

the question here is can they replicate an emotion... not can they feel emotion. sure humans feel all sorts of emotions and don't have to be told what to feel... yada yada yada.... but that has nothing to do with the question. the question was, can a computer be told what to display as a human emotion. and simply that answer has to be yes.

If two people are in the exact same situation at the exact same time, I can assure you the feelings they have, the thoughts that are running through their minds, the reactions they take will all be different. Put a couple of computers under the same circumstances, they'll do exactly the same thing.

i see what your point is, but what does that have to do with the question. it didn't ask if computers would be able to have emotions based on what it felt nor did it specify that the emotions it displayed would have to be different from the next computer. you are dealing with complex issues that really have nothing to do with the situation. basically a computer could be programmed that when certain things were input into the system it would react a certain way. if we added sensors to computers that would allow it to monitor the world around it, it could be given a program to say "express x emotion when y thing happens"

You cannot write a program for a computer that never ends now can you?

again i see your point but.... could you write a program to cover basic emotions.... sya 15 emotions... the answer would be yes. you could tell a computer to react a certain way to certain input wth 15 possible outcomes. it doesn't have to even include degrees of the said emotions, because the computer isn't feeling them, just expressing them. say you programmed a puter to be happy when a user played solitaire... you could express this with a smiley background and the like. i think that the specification of "human" emotion is just a clarification, because no other animal has the brain capacity to understand or feel emotion. they can learn through habit, but they can not have emotion. but your dog sure acts like he loves you... well that is learning through habit. this could then be implimented on an ai machine.... learniung through habit... no real program then. and then the outcome could be infinite as you said.

[Remote_Access_]

NO, computers will NEVER be able to show human emotions...

you misunderstand. the computer will not have the said emotion.

No no, I understand perfectly. Your defence is that since a computer resides on logic then you can also programm "logic" emotions. There isn't such a thing. Think of you easily I could take advantage of your computers emotional state. It would make it that much more easier for some one to gain access to your box. Sound great! A computer cannot respond locically to an illogical operation like emotions.

Who's to say when and where an approprate emotion should take place and why? Definately not a computer. Would any one care to explane how computers are supposed to express their emotions? What if you didn't clean up your HD and your box got pissed? That would be great wouldn't it? I suppose you arguement would be
"Hrm.. well, you can programm it to only show certain emotions blah blah blah..." If that's so, which emotions do you think would be appropriate for a computer to posess?

Remote_Access_

[TotalChaos(D~Sq]

NO, computers will NEVER be able to show human emotions...

I agree with a lot of the previous posts. To have emotions you have to have a SOUL, and unless Pentium is working on a new chip with a SOUL it will never happen.

You cannot program a computer with situations and responses to the situations, because there is no such thing a one set emotion for a particular situation i.e. if you put 50 people in a room and tell them the same story you will get 50 different emotions and expressions of those emotions.

I do not think a bunch of silicon and plastic can tell you it is having a bad day and It needs to be defragged and scan disk done. I just could not see putting in a dvd in my computer and watching a movie and having my computer start to laugh or cry. The word ARTIFICAL INTELIGENCE refers to computers hence the word ARTIFICIAL, which means produced rather than natural, not genuine or natural, made in imitation of something natural, So how can something not natural show something that is purely natural.

People can write all the programs, software, and scripts in the world and make your computer have happy and sad faces but all it will remind me of is a politician......All scripted, no substance, empty, and soulless. Simply going through the MOTIONS does not mean you are showing any true emotions, or emotions period.

We all should remember HAL from 2001 Space Odessey do we really want our computers to be able to show Emotions? Do we really want our computers to be our equals, because that is what separates us from machines is the ability to show human emotion?

[rcgreen]

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Yes, one day, computers will be able
to show human emotion.


Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=222387#post480695) by TotalChaos(D~Sq
NO, computers will NEVER be able to show human emotions...

I agree with a lot of the previous posts. To have emotions you have to have a SOUL, and unless Pentium is working on a new chip with a SOUL it will never happen.

Do we really want our computers to be our equals, because that is what separates us from machines is the ability to show human emotion?

Unless you can be absolutely certain that you have a soul,
you cannot assert that a computer does NOT have one.
It is a dogmatic religious assertion. In fact, the accepted
scientific orthodoxy of our day teaches that man is a machine.
A marvelously complex one, yes, but still only the sum of his
processes, chemical, electrical, logical, and biological.

When we sufficiently map out these complex processes,
we could build a machine as complex, and it too would
"have a soul", unless the "soul" comes from a supernatural
source, and unless this supernatural being takes active measures
to prevent us from creating machines with souls.
:cool:

[lord_darkside_x]

Your defence is that since a computer resides on logic then you can also programm "logic" emotions. There isn't such a thing.

aren't there? if a girl you like, loses a boyfriend (he dumps her) you will express the appropriate emotion (and logical emotion) of sympathy. but deep down you will be happy cause you ave a chance.

What if you didn't clean up your HD and your box got pissed? That would be great wouldn't it?

well yes it would depend on how you programmed it.... but regardless.... if it was programmed that way WHO CARES? the question that we are addressing here is can it be done? not why should or shouldn't it..... i agree it would not be a good thing but it can be done.

Who's to say when and where an approprate emotion should take place and why? Definately not a computer.

a panel and a bunch of programmers could decide. they may not come up with the best idea... but it would be a way of doing it. i am not saying that it would be an exact replication nor am i saying that it would always seem appropriate to everyone, but it would be doable.

Would any one care to explane how computers are supposed to express their emotions?

we discussed this earlier. could be color schemes... smileys, something stupid. but it would be something.

It would make it that much more easier for some one to gain access to your box.

"more easier"... he... just teasing.... but seriously... it would make security issues, but that is not the question. that is another defense for why it shouldn't be done, but not why it couldn't.

People can write all the programs, software, and scripts in the world and make your computer have happy and sad faces but all it will remind me of is a politician......All scripted, no substance, empty, and soulless. Simply going through the MOTIONS does not mean you are showing any true emotions, or emotions period.

i have seen people just go through the motions. think of seeing someone losing a relative that they were not close to or maybe met once. they aact sad at the funeral and stuff... but they are just going through the motions. second, we never said that the emotions wouldn't be at least slightly hollow, but they would be expressions of an emotion... just as a smiley on im is an expression of happiness. you know that is a hollow expression of a true feeling, but it is one.

The word ARTIFICAL INTELIGENCE refers to computers hence the word ARTIFICIAL, which means produced rather than natural, not genuine or natural, made in imitation of something natural, So how can something not natural show something that is purely natural.

that is the point! are you agreeing with the yes people. because that is what we are trying to prove, ai can artificially replicat natural proocesses.... and scientists believe it can happen.... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/03/14/1015909877745.html. a replication of a natural process. sure it is an unnatural replication... but they made a pump now that works like a human heart. more unnatural replication.

You cannot program a computer with situations and responses to the situations, because there is no such thing a one set emotion for a particular situation i.e. if you put 50 people in a room and tell them the same story you will get 50 different emotions and expressions of those emotions.

but those 50 could be simplified. a computer would just have simplified emotions at the current stage of things. and from there who knows what the future will hold.

I do not think a bunch of silicon and plastic can tell you it is having a bad day and It needs to be defragged and scan disk done. I just could not see putting in a dvd in my computer and watching a movie and having my computer start to laugh or cry.

so because you can't believe it, it is impossible... i kinda remember when people believed that the earth was the center of the universe and a certain astronomer said otherwise... they killed him cause they "couldn't believe it". who turned out to be right? being able to believe something has no bearing on its possible outcome.

Do we really want our computers to be our equals, because that is what separates us from machines is the ability to show human emotion?

on more reiteration... THIS IS NOT THE ARGUEMENT. i don't think it should be done.... i am not argueing it should... i am saying that technically though, it is possible.

just a side note. on instant messanger there is an ai bot... known as smarterchild... smarterchild can express two emotions... happy and mad. it is happy when people compliment it. if you curse at it it gets mad till you apologize. i know that htis is a weak example because of the limitations of its responses and the fact that it doesn't analyze what you say... .just looks for keywords... but it is a start for what we are discussing.