It's all about people

[Negative]

I just finished watching Das Boot for the 5th time or so.
I've always thought of it as the ultimate, most realistic U-boat movie ever (for those of you who don't know the movie: forget about The Hunt for the Red October. If you wanna see a real submarine-movie, get yourself a copy of Das Boot). I always thought it was about the war, about the 'evil' Germans against the Allies. Don't know why, but just now I realized it's not about war, it's not about Germans against Allies... It's about people...
That's what a war always is about: people. It's not about what I believe against what you believe... It's about people.

There's no way to justify a war. There's no way to justify any war, for it's about people. The Civil War? About people. WW1? About people. WW2? About people. 9/11? About people. The 'war against terrorism'? About people.

There's no way to justify any war against other people, whatever their beliefs are, whatever their skin-color is, whatever language they speak, whatever god they worship.

We human beings are supposed to be civilized. There's nothing civil about war...



Of the 40,000 men aboard German submarines in World War II, 30.000 did not return.



I also posted this text as my 'Introduce yourself'-post on one of the sickest forums I've ever seen: http://www.thephora.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=29319#post29319 . Enter at own risk.

Here's some links for the movie:

The Original "Das Boot" (http://awards.fennec.org/movie/boot_das_82.html)
Das Boot - The Director's Cut (http://www.movietreasury.com/das_boot/)


PS: If anyone could get me the Ping-sound of a U-boat.... ;)

[stflook]

Ah, glad to see somebody gets it. The only reason war starts is because the person who leads them either doesn't know or has forgotten how horrible battle is. It's a terrible thing that somebody would send thousands or even millions of innocent people to kill or be killed by another group of thousands or millions of innocent people. It's simply inhuman.
There are benefits to war, but those are only visible in the big picture, and mostly insignificant.


BTW, do you happen to have 'Cannibal Holocaust'?

[hot_ice]

Negative, have you seen U-571? That's a pretty good (newish) submarine movie. I've seen The Hunt for Red October, but haven't see Das Boot - maybe I'll hire it out if I come across it in the video store.

But yeah, U-571, if you haven't seen it (though I presume you would have), get onto it, it's a decent film. And it has lots of them submarine noises!! :)

Greg

[MrLinus]

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[Alcatraz]

There's nothing civil about war...

That just makes the Civil War that much more ironic, doesn't it...

[Negative]

Wheeee! Thx MsMittens... Now I have myself a Windows XP that really sounds like a sub ;)

[lord_darkside_x]

war has always been about people. sadly, it just comes down to justification... that's what all the other things are. Look at the crasades, God told them to fight. Osama Bin Laden believes Allah told him to do it. if you like at all wars, there is some "belief" that is being used to justify the war. that is the way humanity is, we need a reason to kill a man, even if that reason is all a lie.

Glow orange is fun... :)

[gold eagle]

Neg and stflook - finally, a reasoned perspective on war. good job. War itself lacks justification. Lord_darkside_x, I don't believe God told them to carry out the crusades. That was the catholic church hierarchy.

[jcmcb]

Good Point gold eagle... if god wants us to kill each other I am sure he/she can come down and tell us all about it, not use a human mouth piece...

[lord_darkside_x]

Lord_darkside_x, I don't believe God told them to carry out the crusades. That was the catholic church hierarchy.

that was my point entirely... God didn't... THEY SAID God did. thus justifying a killing spree.... i thought i made that clear in what i said in the reast of the post. sorry if i didn't

[gold eagle]

sorry, I misunderstood.

[detector]

das boot was a too realistic movie. Nazism under other names existed (and still does) for thousands of years before Hitler and his crew got a hold of it. German people were the ones in WW2 that fell under its lure but what about the Japanese under their "divine destiny" urged upon them by the ruling military? Need I mention Il Duce and the blackshirts? Or what about Franco of Spain and Ante Pavelic? My point is there were many fooled by dictators in the past and probably will be in the future.

[lord_darkside_x]

good point... i think you could take that even a step further... look at the U.S. and manifest destiny. alot of native americans lost there land and even there lives because of this

[gold eagle]

Maybe where this is going then, is that at some point in history one ppl has enslaved or hurt another ppl without any justification and that maybe no one group is perfect or totally innocent.

[thesecretfire]

But think about WW2: If there had been no intervation, what would've happen. I dislike war and violence (or at least try to), but it seems to be necessary sometimes. Is there a way around that, or is that the way it has to be?

[lord_darkside_x]

war never has to be... there are always ways around it.... they may not always be clear, but they do exist. it's not that war in the answer, it is just that it is the most convenient at times