New pr0n laws in the UK

[Aspman]

source:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/23/uk_web_crackdown/

The Government has said it will announce plans to strengthen laws applicable to violent internet pornography in the next few weeks. Such material is generally illegal to publish but legal to view in the UK under the current regime.

Extreme adult websites – those depicting bestiality, necrophilia, rape or torture – can fall foul of the Obscene Publications Act in the UK. This Act dates from 1959 and makes it an offence to publish any article whose effect likely to "deprave and corrupt" those who see it.

Extreme adult websites – those depicting bestiality, necrophilia, rape or torture – can fall foul of the Obscene Publications Act in the UK. This Act dates from 1959 and makes it an offence to publish any article whose effect likely to "deprave and corrupt" those who see it.
The Act can be used to force ISPs in the UK to remove such websites; but obscenity laws differ in other countries, where extreme adult sites are often hosted And while publishing such material is illegal in the UK, visiting it or possessing such images is not.

Violent porn is being brought under similar guidelines to those for paedaphillic images.

Might affect some businesses that discover porn on the network. I've certainly been involved in an investigation of a staff member looking at violent porn.

I'd always believed that viewing/downloading this sort of porn was illegal anyway. It was news to me that it wasn't.

[Katja]

Makes me wonder if sooner or later websites like rotten.com will be banned too under this law. Basically, rotten.com has a large collection of very gory pictures of dead people. Not something for people with a weak stomach. This site has been known to spread around a few of the beheading movies from Iraq, some execution pictures and movies from China and other countries and quite a few more images of murder, torture and other horrible stuff. Yet none of it is sex-related although the site does have links to pornsites.

I now wonder if this site and it's images will be banned by this law too.

And I wonder what the UK thinks it can do about websites that are not located in the UK. Probably nothing. So maybe the UK should follow the example of China and build a large firewall around this island, blocking all indecent things from coming into the country...

Basically, this is censorship. Sure, images of real rape should be banned. However, not all these rape pictures are real rape cases. Many of them are just played by actors. The same with torture. There are people who are apparantly crazy in the head because they like to be tortured. Yet there is no law that forbids you to be tortured if that is what you want...
And necrophilia? I think there's a lot of fake pics about that topic too. And there lies the greatest problem... What if those images are fakes?
Worse, what if those images are computer-generated drawings? Or just paintings? Basically, it's just the British government again trying to tell what you can and cannot see.

Well, I don't mind. I'm not interested in these kinds of images anyway. However, I am a bit suspicious about the motives for this law. Because basically, this law means we lose some freedom. And freedom is too valuable to lose that easily...

[the_JinX]

And freedom is too valuable to lose that easily...
I'd even go as far as to say "Freedom is too valuable to lose over pr0n"

Who descides what "violent internet pornography" is..
Will there be a commity going like: "Well.. It's only one hand in there.. now if it were two.. .."

I still can't believe the people that need laws to regulate stuff like that..
And especialy the Hillary Clinton war on computer game filth..

[mark_boyle2002]

Bugger.

Does this mean I have to get rid of all those videos of me beating up former girlfriends using a dead Jack Russel ?

[Katja]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post855784) by mark_boyle2002
Bugger.

Does this mean I have to get rid of all those videos of me beating up former girlfriends using a dead Jack Russel ?
Depends. You you have permission from your girlfriend to keep those videos and did she consent to being beaten up? Furthermore, did that dog die of natural causes before you used it to beat your girlfriend? If you can answer 'yes' to all these questions then those videos should be legal, shouldn't they? :D

[mark_boyle2002]

Depends. You you have permission from your girlfriend to keep those videos and did she consent to being beaten up? Furthermore, did that dog die of natural causes before you used it to beat your girlfriend? If you can answer 'yes' to all these questions then those videos should be legal, shouldn't they?


It was a frozen imported mail order Jack Russel, My girlfriend didn't complain about being hit with the Jack Russel (I think the first blow broke her jaw and I should probably have defrosted it first). I don't think she has a problem with me keeping the videos as I said I could post them to her at her mums but she declined.

SO Katja Single ? Mwahahahaa

[Katja]

No, I'm not single. Besides, I know Karate, Judo, Kick-boxing and the names of a few other fightsports so you better be careful. :P

[mark_boyle2002]

Well I know Kama Sutra baby !!!!
10th Dan, Black belt.

And anyway. You know your not gonna resist me !

[Katja]

So far I've resisted all the guys I've met... (And gee, I'm not single. Why would that be? :P)

[mark_boyle2002]

Because you have not met the right guy to "swing" your intrests.

Anyhoo. This isn't a dating service so nuff said.

But if you want my number post another 200 times and join addicts

:-)

[Katja]

:D Only 190 posts to go actually. 189 after this one. Nearly there, as the optimist in me is saying. :D

[NIKLAS?]

hey,cut it out. i think its good to have this porn law thing.moreover,what are the benefits of porn anyway?it hurts your wallet,it hurts your moral.

[jm459]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post855784) by mark_boyle2002
Bugger.

Does this mean I have to get rid of all those videos of me beating up former girlfriends using a dead Jack Russel ?

Typical Mark Boyle. Why can't you just be like a normal man, and beat the shit out of them. Why oh why did you have to use the dog?




Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post855792) by mark_boyle2002
It was a frozen imported mail order Jack Russel, My girlfriend didn't complain about being hit with the Jack Russel (I think the first blow broke her jaw and I should probably have defrosted it first)

That's no excuse. That was someones ex pet, and they're probably still visiting the grave with flowers. Shame on you Mark Boyle

[Riot]

Extreme adult websites – those depicting bestiality, necrophilia, rape or torture – can fall foul of the Obscene Publications Act in the UK. This Act dates from 1959 and makes it an offence to publish any article whose effect likely to "deprave and corrupt" those who see it.

Whose effect likely to "deprave and corrupt" those who see it - who is to say what will corrupt people or how it will corrupt them. This was written in 1959 I think that people wear thinking a little different back then and laws need to change with the times I mean people say Violent video games causes people to be Violent so what dose Violent porn do to some one because this law is trying to stop people from behaving badly because of watching it.

hey, cut it out. I think its good to have this porn law thing. Moreover, what are the benefits of porn anyway? It hurts your wallet, it hurts your moral.

Hurting your wallet i could agree with but hurting your morals I don’t think so. To me it sounds like your saying that some one who watches something controversial that they are morally wrong, how could you say that to some one that they are wrong because you don’t agree with it, you shouldn't be able to because ever one have different opinions and views of every thing. This law really seems like a church law and not a country law.

Just if any one was wondering I am not into violent porno, I am into freedom.

[Katja]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post855815) by NIKLAS?
hey,cut it out. i think its good to have this porn law thing.moreover,what are the benefits of porn anyway?it hurts your wallet,it hurts your moral.
The benefits of porn? I think it can satisfy the desires for many people in their own imagination. I myself like nudes, but not porn. But I can imagine that some guy is viewing porn as some kind of sexual release. I even think that the availability of porn might actually lower the number of sexual abuse cases.

I've heard of an experiment in some Dutch psychiatric institutes where they would patients to have sexual relations with each other and where, in some cases, even prostitutes were hired to 'satisfy' the patients in certain ways. (Of course, with permissions of relatives and legal guardians of these patients.) The results of these experiments were stunning. The patients acted more relaxed and less aggressive if they were given a chance to have some sexlife.

And in my opinion, porn can also be used by whomever needs it to release their sexual urges. It has a calming effect on people in my opinion. Just like those aggressive videogames, for example. Would you prefer it to see someone lose their aggression in a videogame or in a street-brawl?

Would porn and aggression encourage people to act more sexual and aggressive? Well, it could happen but I think that on average, it cools down more people than encourages them.

About porn... If you browse the Internet, you will find a lot of it that is free, so it doesn't have to hurt your wallet. And about losing moral? Well, if sex is immoral and should be banned, how are we supposed to reproduce?

[foxyloxley]

Well I know Kama Sutra baby !!!!
10th Dan, Black belt.

Surely you mean Black BED :D
and 10th DAN :confused:

do you HAVE to sleep with a Dan to get graded :p

[Riot]

do you HAVE to sleep with a Dan to get graded

I hear that you do :smokes:, thats why I have been a little Hesitant :eek7:

[catch]

Unfortunately I see nothing wrong with this.

Porn, like all limbic triggers is basically addictive. All things that are addictive have some degree of desensitizing effect. Once the subject is desensitized they need increasingly additional external stimuli. People go from porn to rape/killing... not from nothing to rape killing as katja assumed. There is always a progression to human depravity, always babysteps, always getting away with a little more.

Try to find yourself a serial killer/rapist that wasn't into violent porn. So much so that the idea of such a film festival was put forward by Ted Bundy to lure the Green River Killer.

While these are all good points, the fact is that this is still censorship... which is bad. it can be argued that violent porn has no socially redeeming value, however this is a slippery slope to say the least.

Child porn is very clear cut, you have an age marker to work with, with violent porn there is no such marker. Especially with so many people having such a flawed understanding of the way the limbic system works and wrongly assume that such images are a "safe outlet."

In the end, I say more power to the UK folks... if you want your violent porn go somewhere else. One of the great things about this ever shrinking global village is with government diversity you can hopefully find a good fit to your particular lifestyle somewhere. (Thailand perhaps?)

cheers,

catch

PS. Swing the jack russell by a leash... correctly applied centrifugal force equals greater energy of impact. ;)

[Noia]

I cant see how some of this will fly, for example:

bestiality, necrophilia and rape can not be deemed concentual, but torture can, so if its concentual is it degrading to the person? I don't think so. It is also a very vague term, how do you define torture? The best description I can think of is to force a person through an assault on his or her senses. Seems rather too vague to put a law on if you ask me.

[mark_boyle2002]

Hey noia, In order for bestiality to be consentual does the animal have to agree ?

Or does it just have to look happy during the movie ?

M

[Katja]

Bestiality can be consentual... Ever had a dog riding your leg? :D
Rape... In general it's non-consentual but when a rapist gets caught, he will tend to make it appear consentual. (Yeah, she invited me inside for a cup of coffee, so I got in, ripped her clothes of and had sex with her even though she kept saying 'No'.) "No" means "Yes", right?

Rape and necrophilia can be enacted, though! And you could wonder if a movie where someone has sex with what apparantly seems to be a corpse is committing a crime if this corpse turns out to be a living person who just acted dead. (Or when the corpse was just some rubber doll with plenty of special effects.)

You can also wonder if a cartoon that contains a rape scene or other "illegal images" should be banned or not. Those Japanese 'Manga' movies, for example, display plenty of sex and violence and yet I don't think those cartoons can be banned. Unless you call it indecent images but then you might have to get rid of lots of paintings in museums and wherever else too.

I think that porn has existed for quite a long time anyways. It's just that the invention of the photocamera and the printing press made pornography a lot more common than it used to be. And so far there has never been shown a clear relation between porn and rape/sexual abuse.
There is a reason that we are hearing more often about rape cases, though. People are reporting rape a lot faster these days. Half a century ago, a woman would be too ashamed after being raped and would just kept her mouth shut because it would be a shame for her family. Today we know the woman is not to be blamed if she gets raped. If she said no, the guy should respect that. End of discussion about that. If the guys doesn't listen to that, I think his balls should end up in a small jar, separated from the rest of this rapist.

Still, in many countries women are still ashamed about being raped. Even worse, in some countries women are punished severely if they get raped. Makes them a double victim. (And the rapist often escapes without much harm to him or his balls.) I hate that!

I had a friend who was sexually abused by her father for quite a while. She committed suicide at age 16, though. Her whole life was messed up by what her father did to her. Yet no one ever suspected that her dad was this abusive. He was a very devout man who had a clear opinion against porn. He was also against sex before marriage and disliked homosexuality too. When he got arrested, they searched his house but didn't find any porn. (And he had no computer so no computer porn either.) Yet, while he disliked porn, he just couldn't keep his hands off his 11 year old daughter. As I understood it, she was sexually abused for at least several months before our school noticed something wrong with her. A teacher decided to talk with her and police got in action almost the same day. Afterwards, she was sent from one foster care family to another and I kind of lost all contact with her, until I heard she had committed suicide. I still don't know why she did that, nor do I know if her dad is still in prison...

But it tells me that a sex maniak doesn't need porn to rape. Besides, if I understood correctly, many rapist get their joy from their power. They have control over another person and that seems to be what turns them on. Rape isn't just about sex. It's also about control. It's forcing a woman to say yes when she says no...

[mark_boyle2002]

Hey Katja,

If you went camping, And woke up in the morning,
Covered in bruises and sore all over.

A Tub of lubricant next to you.

Grass stains on your knees and elbows. Would you tell anyone ?

[Katja]

I would tell, yes...

But I probably end up there holding some bloodied testicles while some guy with a sudden high voice starts running away from me as fast as possible. :D

Anyway, I would tell and cooperate as much as possible to get this rapist caught.

I do have fears of being raped, which basically means that I tend to be amongst (female) friends as much as possible. It is sad but as a group we are much stronger than one by one. We protect each other and make sure we don't lose each other when we go out.

However, women aren't the only ones who get raped, mark... So what would you do? You went camping and the next morning you wake up with a sore ass and an empty tube of lubricant next to you. For whatever reason you even taste the lubricant. Bruises and cuts all over your body.

Would you tell anyone, mark?

[mark_boyle2002]

However, women aren't the only ones who get raped, mark... So what would you do? You went camping and the next morning you wake up with a sore ass and an empty tube of lubricant next to you. For whatever reason you even taste the lubricant. Bruises and cuts all over your body.


Go camping more often ?

[zencoder]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post855815) by NIKLAS?
hey,cut it out. i think its good to have this porn law thing.moreover,what are the benefits of porn anyway?it hurts your wallet,it hurts your moral.


WHOA WHOA WHOA.

Do you mean MORAL as in, the morals of ones society? Or MORALE, as in it hurts most males MORALE to watch a John Holmes video, then go use the bathroom and make a comparison?

MORAL...you are opening a serious can 'o worms that would probably be better received and discussed at TalkPhilosophy.org (http://talkphilosophy.org/) then here.

MORALE...heck yeah. (gore back me up here...) I never watch porn...but if I did, I would have stopped looking at other guys tallywhackers long ago! I don't swing that way, sorry. Nothing wrong with it, just not my thing.

;)

But it is a valid discussion, and for MORAL...you do make a good point. If a 'democratic' society creates laws to uphold its own morals, how do you define those morals, from a large group of individuals with varying taste? What makes Katja's preferences any more or less valid than Marks or Niklas? Or mine? How do you create that benchmark?

---

As for the camping questions... dear god you two, how did THAT get started?

[DjM]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post856157) by mark_boyle2002
Go camping more often ?


Mark, quit trolling, she has already told you you're fishing off the wrong pier and using the wrong tackle.

Go take a cold shower and drop the attempted cyber pick-up.

:D

Cheers:

[slinky2004]

or have a look at these: www.katje.org/Images/ImageList.aspx
katja and her hot, nudist friends ;)

[mark_boyle2002]

LOL.

Its been such a long time on here since we had any fun.

We used to have the occasional post where people had their sticks temporarily removed and actually had a laugh to relieve the boredom this site sometimes suffers from.

Its refreshing to see someone else with a sense of humour who seems to be quickly ascending the ranks.

Some of you old school monkeys should take a leaf from her book and lighten up.

It may be a computer security forum but theres nothing saying we have to be boring about it !.

Anyway. It appears to me that with the exception of HTReGz (Known for his stick) most of the top 10 antipoint earners are able to have a laugh and an off topic thread on occasion to lighten up the mood.

Anyway. With the addition of a thread titled pron did you expect me not to post ?

[Katja]

Ehm, slinky, I have to disappoint you. I myself am not amongst all of those pictures. :D

Actually, my site is just an experiment in image manipulation through ASP.NET and I needed something interesting. I am planning to divide the images in folders with each their own theme, and most of those images will be decent, non-adult pictures. (Landscapes, buildings, etc.) Actually, if you know a bit about webservices, you might be interested in http://www.katje.org/wallpaper/wallpaper.asmx which is what I am working on right now. A web service that will manage wallpapers that I can retrieve through my own web client. This web client would then be able to alter my current wallpaper in one of those from my site.

I just need more time to work on it...

[slinky2004]

oh... i figured since it was a personal website you would naturally post pictures of yourself and people that you meet at your local nude beach or wherever :)

[Katja]

Actually, what I did to collect all those pictures was quite simple. I used my GMail account to subscribe for a Yahoo profile, then subscribed for several dozens of picture-trading groups. Then wrote my own mailreader that would read all incoming emails from this mailaccount and extract the images from these emails. Any image that would be smaller than a certain size (320x240 is the minimum) would then be discarded. And I would calculate a hash signature over the other pictures and store these signatures in a database to check for duplicate images. Duplicate images would be deleted too. Whatever wasn't discarded ended up in a single folder which I would then examine with Paint Shop Pro to delete the less interesting images.
What remains are those 590+ images. :D The remainder of an interesting experiment. (And something that is interesting enough to view, yet not something to get real excited about.)

There are pictures of me on that site but I keep them hidden. :p

[catch]

katja... just because every single instance of sexual abuse has not been coupled with porn does not mean there is no connection.
Sexually abusing one's daughter is not in the same league as violent rape, in fact in many cultures it has been perfectly acceptable for daddy to give his daughter an education in such matters. What makes matters difficult for those children these days is all the secrets and lies and how their psyche is given no room for such things. Unlike rape which is, in and of itself damaging.

There have been connections shown between porn/slasher movies and violent sex offenders (many of whom, like Bundy who didn't actually own any porn and was known to be vocal against such things in his youth... in fact this denial of shadow material is a big part of all o this) so much so that it is part of the FBI profile when tracking violent sex offenders.

The same deal with necrophiles, they inevitably move on to killing people rather than just digging them up. The limbic system is easily desensitized, which is why addicts need more and more cocaine or what have you. Dopamine drugs effect the same physiological components of the brain as porn does. This is not conjecture or propaganda, it is medical fact.

If the limbic system can turn nice college girls into whores that'll suck any **** for the hopes of some coke residue, why would it surprise you that it could drive people to rape and murder? Everyone? No of course not, but clearly the risk is greater than the gain.

cheers,

catch

[jinxy]

Porn, like all limbic triggers is basically addictive. All things that are addictive have some degree of desensitizing effect. Once the subject is desensitized they need increasingly additional external stimuli. People go from porn to rape/killing... not from nothing to rape killing as katja assumed. There is always a progression to human depravity, always babysteps, always getting away with a little more.


I'm not sure I agree wth this totaly, I agree with the desensitizing effect ( seen one porn movie seen them all), I also agree with the baby steps analogy. However to take what you have said at face value, would mean every one who was addicted to porn would follow a natural path to rape/murder. This is clearly not what happens.

There must be a prior want/need to carry out a rape or murder. Clearly these people have a screw loose same for pedo's. Exposure to violent porn, I think would just be a stop gap untill they could have the real thing, so to speak.

Untill very recently, probably less than ten years, it was nearly impossible to get any hard porn in the UK, It was illegal to sell or to bring into the country. It was only with the advent of satalite tv, that porn became more accessible. Still illegal but more widely accessable. The internet widend the accessability even further. To the point that keeping UK porn free was impossible.

I'm not sure why these laws are being discussed now as the type of porn we are talking about has never been legal. When the Government relaxed our porn laws, bestiality and violent porn was expressly forbidden along with kiddy stuff.

[Noia]

Katja;


Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post856104) by mark_boyle2002
Hey Katja,

If you went camping, And woke up in the morning,
Covered in bruises and sore all over.

A Tub of lubricant next to you.

Grass stains on your knees and elbows. Would you tell anyone ?


No where here does it say that you were aware of a rape, if you cant remember being concentual at the time, does that mean you were not concentual then? is it still rape if you change your mind afterwards? who's to know?

On a small tangent, mark_boyle2002; I said "can be conciderd non concentual", cant give your concent if you are not deemed fully self aware. :p

[Egaladeist]

A couple of points,

Hi slinky2004,

don't quite understand your point in giving that link...unless it was a lame attempt to embarrass or discredit her in front of a different crowd...even if those are her, and she claims they're not, there's nothing to be embarrassed about...naked pictures of you on the other hand...

Hi jinxy,

There must be a prior want/need to carry out a rape or murder. Clearly these people have a screw loose same for pedo's
Couldn't agree more! like these kids that go off and do something stupid because they read it in a book, or saw it on tv, or heard it in their favorite music...they have a natural/unnatural tendency toward these things.

Lastly,

What the frig does this have to do with ' Regulatory Compliance '?

Eg ;)

[catch]

I'm not sure I agree wth this totaly, I agree with the desensitizing effect ( seen one porn movie seen them all), I also agree with the baby steps analogy. However to take what you have said at face value, would mean every one who was addicted to porn would follow a natural path to rape/murder. This is clearly not what happens.
This doesn't assume that at all... does everyone who gets addicted to cocaine become a coke whore? Nah... the brain is so complex that there are not 100% rules across the population.

Exposure to violent porn, I think would just be a stop gap untill they could have the real thing, so to speak.
This is bad thinking... the idea that porn/violence in movies/pictures will appease people and keep then from acting it out. Someone who has underlying psychological problems... is giving them cocaine likely to appease their problems or foster a new addiction?

Sure giving a standard well adjusted person a stack of porn, and they are not likely to have any issues with it... at least not to the extent of killing or raping. Take someone who has been abused, is a little timid and damaged... and introduce these images of power and degradation. Turn them on, while making them feel powerful in a way they never have before. (especially after abuse at the hands of their mother, so they feel completely divorced from their sexuality) Now you have a problem on your hands. If those images had any good aspects, it'd be arguable... but really I can't see the value aside from free speech issues and if people in the UK want free speech, come to the US. We have more sexualized violence than we know what to do with. :)

cheers,

catch

[Katja]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post856194) by Noia
Katja;

No where here does it say that you were aware of a rape, if you cant remember being concentual at the time, does that mean you were not concentual then? is it still rape if you change your mind afterwards? who's to know?

On a small tangent, mark_boyle2002; I said "can be conciderd non concentual", cant give your concent if you are not deemed fully self aware. :p You are right about that but I consider it extremely unlikely that I will ever have sex with a guy. It's not my preference. And it's that simple in my opinion. Maybe you would have gotten a different answer from another woman who doesn't have my preferences, though. :D

Alternatively, if you can't remember that you've had sex but it is clear that you did have sex recently, you could start wondering if it was really consentual or if someone perhaps slipped you something to make you more cooperative. As I said, when I go out, I always go out with several friends and we stay together at all times. We guard each other. We also guard each other's drinks, in case someone slips something in it.

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post856201) by Egaladeist
don't quite understand your point in giving that link...unless it was a lame attempt to embarrass or discredit her in front of a different crowd...even if those are her, and she claims they're not, there's nothing to be embarrassed about...naked pictures of you on the other hand...Oh, I'm not that easily embarrassed about those things. I'm pretty openminded and am also pretty open about my private life, if I care to talk about it.

Now, about the big porn discussion... Is it addictive or not? Does it encourage guys to start raping and killing women? As far as I know, this still hasn't been proven. People claim that the number of rapes is increasing because the number of porn is increasing too. Yet porn tends to desensitise people too and actually makes them more open to talk about things like sex and rape. So it could be that more people are reporting that they have been raped simply because they are more open about it.

I live in the Netherlands. The amount of porn that you can find here is enormous. I've seen billboards here displaying bare female breasts. And after 8 in the evening there are several Dutch channels that will broadcast some more adult material, including softcore porn. In bookstores you can often find the porn magazines near the location of computer magazines and believe me, some of this stuff is pretty heavy material. (Including gay porn, the male-male stuff.) And of course you can see plenty of nudity at other locations too. Yet I don't think the number of rape cases is higher here than in a more conservative country. I think we have even a lot lower number here.
Thing is, because we are so open about sex and porn, it actually starts to become a defense mechanism. People will have a lot less problems to talk about the things that happened to them. So when raped, people will talk more easily about the details. Of course, we have rapists here too, but in general I don't think we have more rapists per 10.000 people than e.g. the USA or any other country.

Too bad we still don't know how many women are still too ashamed to talk about them being raped...

[jinxy]

This is bad thinking... the idea that porn/violence in movies/pictures will appease people and keep then from acting it out. Someone who has underlying psychological problems... is giving them cocaine likely to appease their problems or foster a new addiction?

Catch,

Thats not what I meant, I didn't mean to imply appeasment, we all no what happens when you try to appease a madman (peace in our time??). What I meant was, we all have things that trigger reactions emotions. I just feel if someone is depraved enough to commit a violent crime sexual or other, they will. With or without having looked at representations of it first.

I'm all for freedom of expression, free speach but I also believe in censorship. Which to some may seem like a contradiction but thats their problem not mine. :D

[unhappy]

quote :

"LOL.

Its been such a long time on here since we had any fun.

We used to have the occasional post where people had their sticks temporarily removed and actually had a laugh to relieve the boredom this site sometimes suffers from.

Its refreshing to see someone else with a sense of humour who seems to be quickly ascending the ranks.

Some of you old school monkeys should take a leaf from her book and lighten up.
It may be a computer security forum but theres nothing saying we have to be boring about it !.

Anyway. It appears to me that with the exception of HTReGz (Known for his stick) most of the top 10 antipoint earners are able to have a laugh and an off topic thread on occasion to lighten up the mood.

Anyway. With the addition of a thread titled pron did you expect me not to post ?"


the reason she's "ascending the ranks" is because of her unbelievably insightful and humorous contributions ... YEAH RIGHT? It has nothing to do w/ the fact that she's 19 y/o Dutch lesbian who has tons of pics of naked girls/women (of which some may or may not be her) YEAH RIGHT?

... Why don't you send her some money while you at it ... shit ... it's just in the name of friendship and humor ... or maybe stop having theological discussion w/ every dits that flashes her sexuality your way(even over the internet)

[hesperus]

While we're off the topic . . .

Come on, Unhappy. That may be the reason she attracts some flirtation, but AP's ? She hasn't received any in this thread and from what I have seen gets them quite legitimately. Direct your comments at mark_boyle or slinky, not Katja, who does in fact have worthwhile things to say and handles these jerks very well. Have you read through her posts ? Ditz is the last word I would use.

[Egaladeist]

Hi Hesperus,

Well...actually, she has...but I don't think that's really relative...she might've gotten some AP's because she's got a cute picture ( if that's even her :D )...but, I agree, she does seem like a smart cookie.

Come on Katja...confess...you're really a 700 pound man suffering from scabies and crabs...:D

Eg ;)

[unhappy]

This wasn't directed at her, regardless of the fact that she knows EXACTLY what she is doing. Hopefully the fact that she is cute and unattainable will be at worst … a distraction and I hope that all the newbs will be heard and judged on the same "fair" basis.

Porn is one of the most natural past times for human being. I love porn, especially lesbian port. but this has to be a cry for attention. I bet you ALL already checked out that site of hers ...

: )

So Katja ... thanx for the wank ... but hey ... you were just asking for it w/ all the talk about the woods and lube...



... oh shit that was mark_boyle2002

: )

quote:

"Come on Katja...confess...you're really a 700 pound man suffering from scabies and crabs..."

probably very hairy sitting there, in speedos w/ a barret

[Katja]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post856229) by Egaladeist
Come on Katja...confess...you're really a 700 pound man suffering from scabies and crabs...:D
Eg ;)
Well, I could post dozens of pics of me on the Internet to show that I'm really a 19 year old girl. Geez, If I want to, I could even put some pics online of me making love with my girlfriend. :D But I'm not going to do any of that.

Does it really matter if I am whom I claim to be? Do you judge me for what I look like and for the things I do in private? I hope not. I hope you judge me on my knowledge and the advise I keep giving.
Personally, people are already judging me when I walk hand in hand with my love. Fortunately, I live in a very tolerant country so here I don't have much problems with it. But I've noticed that especially online people just disagree with my private lifestyle and even condemn me for it. I might still be young but I have learned to deal with this kind of prejudism. And this isn't the first forum where people start to accuse me of everything simply because I am so open about my lifestyle.

Should I not be so open about it? Nope, no way. People will just have to learn to deal with it.

Now about those images on my site. I don't think it's porn. Almost everything are just nude pictures. Don't understand that you guys can get that excited about a bit of skin but perhaps you prefer to see women in full dress to below the soles of their feet and a burka to hide their faces. :D But for me, I just like them for their artistic value. For me, the human body is a temple, a sacred item that people should respect and worship. (Especially if it's their own.) In this life, we only get to use our body for as long as it last and then it's all over. So be proud of it, don't hide it.
(Okay, some pics go a bit beyond the regular nudity.)
Thing is, this website is still experimental and I haven't had that much time to do more with it. I just needed a large amount of big images to test it with and this is just what I came up with. In the future it will contain other kinds of images. The nudes will go from that site again. But I do this when I think it's a good time to alter this site, not because some people here think it's bad and thus it should disappear...

I'm not sure but I think this is actually the only thread on this forum where I'm discussing my own website. :D In the other threads I tend to be more serious. And so far I have been avoiding talks about my private life in those other threads.

[Egaladeist]

Hi katja,

Well, I could post dozens of pics of me on the Internet to show that I'm really a 19 year old girl. Geez, If I want to, I could even put some pics online of me making love with my girlfriend. :D
I don't doubt you are who you say you are...but the fact is, on the net, a person can claim to be anybody and pictures don't mean that's really you.

Does it really matter if I am whom I claim to be? Do you judge me for what I look like and for the things I do in private? I hope not. I hope you judge me on my knowledge and the advise I keep giving.
I absolutely agree!

But for me, I just like them for their artistic value. For me, the human body is a temple, a sacred item that people should respect and worship.
As an artist myself, who has on occasion drawn nudes with live models, again I agree...if you got it, why hide it...if you don't...grab a towel and get off the beach :D

Eg ;)

[Aspman]

What the frig does this have to do with ' Regulatory Compliance '?

er, I though it might change what gets reported to the police if you discover staff looking at pr0n on work pcs.

But that's *****ing boring. I'd rather talk about pr0n and Katja's alternative lifestyle ;)

Though I've got to agree that she is probably a 220lbs dock worker called Dave with hairy palms, BO problems and a pet gimp.

I'll force my imagination to concentrate on the picture and will it to be true.

As for mark_boyle2002 that dude is too close. Last time I go camping on the west coast.

[morganlefay]

Guys

Give it up

I am more her type ...

then any of you... ;)


MLF

[jinxy]

So Morgan, what you doing later:)

[Katja]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post856364) by jinxy
So Morgan, what you doing later:) HEY! I'm supposed to ask that! :D

So, Morgan, what are you doing later? ;)

[gore]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post856190) by catch
[B]Bundy who didn't actually own any porn and was known to be vocal against such things in his youth...



That should have been a ****ing sign, what teen male stand up against pron? Son of a bitch they should have shot him the first time he opened his mouth. I mean damn, if you were there and saw a teen boy who was saying he hated pron, what the HELL would you think?

[gore]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post855815) by NIKLAS?
hey,cut it out. i think its good to have this porn law thing.moreover,what are the benefits of porn anyway?it hurts your wallet,it hurts your moral.


Oh sure, take the porn away, and when 9,000 men in one night who can't get off go on a raping spree, I'll send them to your house and cut a whole in the ass of your pants. Dip shit.

[gore]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post855829) by Riot
Whose effect likely to "deprave and corrupt" those who see it - who is to say what will corrupt people or how it will corrupt them. This was written in 1959 I think that people wear thinking a little different back then and laws need to change with the times I mean people say Violent video games causes people to be Violent so what dose Violent porn do to some one because this law is trying to stop people from behaving badly because of watching it.



Hurting your wallet i could agree with but hurting your morals I don’t think so. To me it sounds like your saying that some one who watches something controversial that they are morally wrong, how could you say that to some one that they are wrong because you don’t agree with it, you shouldn't be able to because ever one have different opinions and views of every thing. This law really seems like a church law and not a country law.

Just if any one was wondering I am not into violent porno, I am into freedom.


Hmm, interesting, so some peopel think it's OK to search for "analy raped faggots and girls being ass banged" is perfectly fine. But when they actually LOOK at it, they get corrupt??? Lol.

[gore]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post856379) by Katja
HEY! I'm supposed to ask that! :D

So, Morgan, what are you doing later? ;)


Pffft, wuss, I can play bass with my toung. And besides, I don't run out of batteries. Not that you're my type though, my penis has more thickness than you do. I'm not coming onto you like what appears to be a shit load of men in this thread who are probably already married anyway. I don't need TCP/IP to get my rocks rattled.

[¤The¤Spe©ialist]

When my uncle died and one of his friends brought a daughter to the funeral... and she cried alot and ended up smearing her mascara all over her face, she had this leather jacket on with a nice dress and the boots... yeah that was pretty hot.

Was it wrong for me to be attracted to her? I mean, considering where I was and what had happend and all...

[!mitationRust]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post856190) by catch

There have been connections shown between porn/slasher movies and violent sex offenders (many of whom, like Bundy who didn't actually own any porn and was known to be vocal against such things in his youth... in fact this denial of shadow material is a big part of all o this) so much so that it is part of the FBI profile when tracking violent sex offenders.

The same deal with necrophiles, they inevitably move on to killing people rather than just digging them up. The limbic system is easily desensitized, which is why addicts need more and more cocaine or what have you. Dopamine drugs effect the same physiological components of the brain as porn does. This is not conjecture or propaganda, it is medical fact.

If the limbic system can turn nice college girls into whores that'll suck any **** for the hopes of some coke residue, why would it surprise you that it could drive people to rape and murder? Everyone? No of course not, but clearly the risk is greater than the gain.

I wouldn't venture to say that you own quite the collection of medical books. Perchance books dealing with one's neurological sector? Did you start with Gray's anatomy then move into DSM research as I have? I believe the earth's seasons and axis to be of much importance.

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=270071#post856190) by catch

Try to find yourself a serial killer/rapist that wasn't into violent porn.

And when you do find our shy boy, you'll find his pathology a thousand times more savage than the others. He wants to be reborn, catch. He will be reborn.

Suffice to say, no DVD collection is complete without these.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000C23T4.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

The "Ice Man", a Gambino soldier, and his "friend" - "Mister Softee"! A tale nobody could wright except a "God". When you learn about "Ice man's" brother you'll die laughing.

And

"Hookers at the Point"

http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/hookers/

[gore]

TSOL - Code Blue....

You better get that too ****er.

[¤The¤Spe©ialist]

She was younger than me, still in her mid teens.

"Im a child molester, the younger the better..."

Yeah necrophilia kicks ass too.

[Katja]

I do wonder about something, though. We are talking here and some claim that porn is encouraging guys to rape more often. I just wonder if this is also true in the gay world? Are gay men raping other men more often when they see more gay porn? Or would there be no relationship between this all?

I also wonder why it is almost always that we hear about women who get raped, but almost never about guys. Okay, young boys get raped, but apparantly no older guys? (And I mean raped by another guy!) Are there no gay rapists or are men still too ashamed about talking about the fact that they have been raped? Especially when homosexuality is a big taboo, admitting that some guys attacked you and violated your arse must be a real embarrasment for men...
I wonder...
Maybe there are no male gay rapists who attack adult men...

[Aspman]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/4749863.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4072158.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4497355.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/4494011.stm

That's just the beeb. There were news stories of male rape gangs in both Edinburgh and Glasgow last year I think. I don't remember the outcome.

It goes on, probably not as often as female rape and is probably reported even less frequently.

I don't know if hospitals have to notify if someone comes in with rape 'symptoms' in the same way they have to with gunshot wounds.

[Katja]

So there are gay men who rape other men. Question is now if those rapists had access to porn or not. If they also have been porn collectors then there could be a relationship between porn and rape.
I do wonder what you should do with a gay male rapist anyway? Lock them up in a prison with lots of other guys? That must be a paradise for them. :D

[Aspman]

That must be a paradise for them

Hell on earth more like. Sex offenders (nonces or beasts) are the lowest of the low in prison. Every other class of prisoner hates them and a good deal of the lifers would happily cut them up or kill them for fun.

I used to car share with an ex-prison officer he worked in the 'beast' wing he had some interesting stories about them.
One of the favourite things done to the beasts was to mix a bucket of sugar with boiling water until it melted into a boiling sticky goop. Then they'd throw it on a sex offender. Hard stuff to remove when its burning your skin off.

I've no sympathy for them, I think chemical castration should be a parole condition to prevent reoffending.

[Egaladeist]

Hi katja,

Personally, I think this thread has run it's course...it's becoming incredibly boring, repetitive, and pointless.

Probably should have been put to death 3-4 pages ago...like a tabloid newspaper it's good for a laugh once in awhile...but then it just gets ridiculous.

Eg ;)

[Katja]

You're right, Eg... But I'm trying to become one of the addicts and need 130 more posts for that. :D So I am willing to continue the discussion here. :p Normally, I'd ignored this post from the moment I saw the word 'p0rn' but hey... I'm not an addict yet. :D