The RETURN of IRC

[hogfly]

Antionline IRC has returned! A select few of us see the unique value a live chat brings to our community here so from the ashes of infamy rises AntiOnline IRC.

Want to talk about an antionline thread in real time with other community members?

Want to talk about your latest security adventures?

Have a question that needs to be answered?

Come up with a new idea for a tutorial and want some help?

Want to hear what others are working on?

Connect to irc.freenode.net #antionline and help rekindle the live security discussions that helped originally build this community. We're just getting restarted but it will take your participation to make it succeed. So, join us and share your knowledge.




*NOTE this is the Unofficial Offical IRC channel and as such is not officially endorsed by Jupiter Media*

[Spyder32]

Yep, you heard right.. AO's IRC SERVER IS BACK! COME ONE COME ALL! Oh, and *gasp* get this.. for the last few hours, security/information discussions have been going on! :eek:

[thehorse13]

I would take a moment to state that the IRC channel is in no way affiliated with JupiterMedia...so on and so forth.

--TH13

PS
See ya there.

[neel]

So just for the record... This'd be like the 20th unofficial AO irc channel?

[hjack]

..................and like all the previous AO IRC chans/nets...............there was some people on but everyone was idling........


Ever see the bash quote which says "IRC is a multiplayer wordpad"

ry

[skiddieleet]

IRC owns you. Be there or be square.

[sandeep_patel]

thanx 4 the info*

[er0k]

are you shitting me? after years of nearly everyone wanting it back..

edit: nevermind, after reading the whole thread, I've decided my excitement was without warrant, and am now disappointed... thought it was a more of AO official thing, like the old irc.antionline.com

edit #2: nevermind again, i suck. no one hangs out there hardly and i didn't realize this post was so old. Looks like we've got another failed attempt at irc'ing on the way.

[.:front2back:.]

Looks like we've got another failed attempt at irc'ing on the way.


I know what you mean, i've been popping in a few times every day since this was announced, and there is always only 2 or 3 other people logged in, and they are either away or idling.

kind of irritating how it didn't last long what with all the requests for jupmedia to re-open the original channel..

[nihil]

Ryan is probably correct:

and like all the previous AO IRC chans/nets...............there was some people on but everyone was idling........

:(

[.:front2back:.]

it's dissapointing really..

i would of thought it would be busy 24/7 but now it's lucky if there are actually 2 or more people actually talking, other then idling... :mad:

[thehorse13]

At its peak, there were about 10 people there. I sat on the channel and noticed that one or two would drop off each day. I stopped going there last week.

I really thought it would work out but again, it isn't getting advertised like the old official site.

--Th13

[Cemetric]

I notice that there aren't any people logging in anymore ...It's a shame though ...Would've been great :(.

.C.

[Striek]

I would have to conclude that it will never succeed until JupM is willing to support it. It's a shame they don't... wouldn't really cost them anything.

The opers don't even show up anymore... that doesn't help either.

All it needs is a little one-line text on the fron page here, even if it's only viewable by registered members, and it would fare a lot better.

[er0k]

well, the problem is.. if you all remember long ago enough, JP or Brad or evil_enchilada or kk... etc.. one of those operators was ALWAYS online and enjoyed it. I really don't think we have that kind of community anymore. Personally, I just think its a lack of close knit stuff that we used to have here.

[Nokia]

Whenever I went there there was usually 5 - 10 peeps logged on..but 0 peeps actually talking...I got a bit paranoid and thought everyone was just private messaging each other behind my back and left...glad to see it wasnt just me!

Think I only ever spoke to cem on there properly...boring git.. :D

[dalek]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=275526#post906396) by Nokia
Whenever I went there there was usually 5 - 10 peeps logged on..but 0 peeps actually talking...I got a bit paranoid and thought everyone was just private messaging each other behind my back and left...glad to see it wasnt just me!

Think I only ever spoke to cem on there properly...boring git.. :D

Hey I think I said a couple of things, changed my nick alot, sbout it... :rolleyes:

[.:front2back:.]

:eek: there's currently 3 people in there now. Ht myself and foting, whomever that is.?

come one come all it's AO IRC time. :)

[The Texan]

If I wanted to go on IRC how would I go about doing it? I have never really messed around on IRC. and what is the AO IRC room called?

[gore]

Depending on your OS.... Well if you have Linux you have IRC already, of you have Mac you should have it too, but if you have Windows, you'll need to download a client. MIRC seems to be popular.

You download that and go to:

irc.freenode.net

/join #antionline

And there you go.

I go on from time to time but I could this week, too many appointments.

[Tedob1]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=275526#post906539) by The Texan
If I wanted to go on IRC how would I go about doing it? I have never really messed around on IRC. and what is the AO IRC room called?


many sites around have a java applet you can download and use if not, gore's advice about MIRC is great. that's about the best one around for windows.

Also don't foreget to read a couple of the great tuts right here on AO for irc...a good one i remember is by MsMittens but it didn't improve my typing so i don't use IRC much


(EDIT: to correct my spelling, my typing really does suck)

[The Texan]

thanx for the tips im looking into maybe jumping into IRC.

[SarinMage]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=275526#post906392) by er0k
well, the problem is.. if you all remember long ago enough, JP or Brad or evil_enchilada or kk... etc.. one of those operators was ALWAYS online and enjoyed it. I really don't think we have that kind of community anymore. Personally, I just think its a lack of close knit stuff that we used to have here.



ill have to second taht....i remember when i visited this place a lot...cause well, the irc rocked, it was great to be able to talk to everyone in realtime

[er0k]

**** yeah sarin whats up dude? you still got wooshlizard? haha

[SarinMage]

im allright i supose...wish the IRC was actually active though....

whyu wont jupiter "endorse" one?

[SarinMage]

im allright i supose...wish the IRC was actually active though....

whyu wont jupiter "endorse" one?

Ill host the irc on my server, if they would be willling to endorse it. i already run an irc server.

[Moira]

I read this with interest. Is there an AO channel now or not? I spend a lot of time on IRC, idling in many channels. I use Tor on freenode and donate bandwidth to help the project. In fact, I've got a nice custom hostmask :D

I find the biggest problem associated with newcomers to IRC is the assumption by the MSN community that channels are places where people join, talk and then leave. It isn't like AIM, Yahoo or MSN and IMHO it's so much better for that! My PC is on 24/7, I do lots of things on it - of course I'm not going to be chatting non stop in any one channel all the time! Channels become strong because people are prepared to idle. My name is on highlight so if someone mentions it I can respond (assuming I'm on the PC). Query messages highlight so I'd respond to a PM in a similar way.

IM clients irritate me in the sense that you're in the middle of doing something and frequently get interrupted by someone who, if they don't get a reply within seconds comes back at you with "Why are you ignoring me ????????" or similar. In an irc channel, you don't feel obliged to talk because the chances are someone else is around too, so it's much more relaxed. You might get an answer half an hour after asking a question - and that's OK. It's not a telephone line. It's just a great way of learning things, getting instant help and talking to people real time. But it's also somewhere you respect the fact that people are not just there to instantly talk if you happen to join the channel.

You get a feel for IRC and interesting channels have plenty of chat, but there's nothing wrong with a couple of hours complete silence. Mirc sits in my system tray, a line of communication. It works and it's one of the many tasks I'm performing here at any one time. My nick is also there when I'm at work or in bed.

If there was still a channel around I'd be interested in joining - I'm on freenode anyway. Anyone still go there?

[cgkanchi]

You might want to try irc.anewerairc.net or irc.smdc-network.org . They're both run by (ex?) AO members and are pretty decent. I'm on both occasionally. Nothing like the original AO IRC, though :( . It used to be amazing, actually. The best IRC channel I've had. High volume, generally knowledgeable members and very high signal to noise ratio. There were one or two assh***es around, but you get that everywhere.

Cheers,
cgkanchi

[Moira]

Thanks, will give that a go. Yeah you get *******s everywhere, pity about the original AO channel. You never know, we might get something going eventually, again. What channels do you recommend on those servers?

[cgkanchi]

It's pretty much only #lobby on both those servers. And the conversation's not really security based, but if someone raises the topic, there are usually enough people who can contribute significantly to any discussion on security.

Cheers,
cgkanchi

[Moira]

Many thanks, I will give that a go soon. I'm going to have another shot at my Virtual Server now.

[nihil]

Hi Moira,

These are my personal opinions as a member rather than a moderator, and in no way should be taken to represent the views of JupiterMedia or their staff.

The big problem with IRC is that it is open to anyone and is unmoderated. In this respect it is similar to unmoderated newsgroups, that are prime targets for spamming.

I guess that the major conflicts of interest are fourfold?

1. The site is owned and managed by a commercial organisation who have a reputation to think of.

2. The primary focus of the site is computer security, so it needs to maintain a professional image.

3. This is a community and family site, so minors are allowed, and even encouraged, to use it.

4. This is an international site, and we need to be a bit cautious as to causing offence inadvertently, let alone deliberately.

Given those constraints, it really isn't practical to have IRC and newsgroups that are officially sponsored by this community and associated with it, yet are totally exposed to idiots.

I am afraid that it is the old story of the minority spoiling things for the majority :(

[JPnyc]

Nihil nailed it. Couldn't have been more accurate except to perhaps include the possible legal aspect of an unmoderated chat associated with the company.

[Moira]

nihil I agree with what you say. I wasn't aware of the JupiterMedia association with this site (I am quite new to it). IRC doesn't have to be unmoderated of course - but that does rely on channel ops being around and able to deal with whatever turns up. Again, another reason why "being there" is important for a successful channel. Another idea is to bill the channel as "unofficial".

Currently I own and op a few channels (in fact I was once a network admin) and what I found hard to get across to new visitors was that talking about cracking software or asking for music downloads is absolutely taboo. They don't seem to understand that the sponsors of quakenet cannot have this behaviour and their lawyers would just pull the plug. There again, you get these wankers who think applying someone else's crack makes them the ultimate in leetness.

Let them master assembly language and degree level maths and actually make a keygen and I might have more respect (though not approval).

[JPnyc]

Precisely, Moira, and we have the same difficulty on our forums. With a chat, however, you MUST have constant realtime moderation, and we simply can't guarantee that.

[thehorse13]

There are several IRC channels out there where you'll find large pockets of AO members. If you want the server addys, PM me. If you do visit these places, keep in mind that not everyone is a fan of AO. ;-)

--TH13

[Moira]

Many thanks everyone, for the info and thehorse13 I will PM you for more once I get a bit of free time :)

[Donkey Punch]

I went to visit the freenode channel and nobdy was there. So I went back to the other channel and hung out with BraD again.

[Moira]

I still haven't had the time to try out new irc channels :(

[cheesegoduk]

and very high signal to noise ratio.

o.O What AO IRC was you in?

[cgkanchi]

Don't worry cheese, SMDC has a lower ratio than AO IRC did :p

Cheers,
cgkanchi

[D0pp139an93r]

It's pretty much only #lobby on both those servers. And the conversation's not really security based, but if someone raises the topic, there are usually enough people who can contribute significantly to any discussion on security.

Cheers,
cgkanchi

Meh... On ANewEraIRC, the technical discussions tend to become homosexual/perverted after the first 5 minutes. Course... I may be partially to blame for this.

[MicroBurn]

Meh... On ANewEraIRC, the technical discussions tend to become homosexual/perverted after the first 5 minutes. Course... I may be partially to blame for this.

Of course you are... you and Brad both.... damn you :|

enmand

[D0pp139an93r]

Of course you are... you and Brad both.... damn you :|

enmand
[21:00] <kryptonic> back to the homo talk i see lol
[21:00] <Synja> Yep
[21:01] <Synja> blah blah blah... security kernel... blah blah blah... reference monitor... blah blah blah.. ***Very funny phrase that is apparently too naughty for AO***
[21:01] <skiddlaptop> reference monitor?
[21:01] <skiddlaptop> that's too hardcore

:P

[Moira]

Well, I'm happy to say I'm now residing in #lobby - don't know that I recognise anyone else except thehorse13, but it seems a nice place to hang out so far.

[D0pp139an93r]

Well, I'm happy to say I'm now residing in #lobby - don't know that I recognise anyone else except thehorse13, but it seems a nice place to hang out so far.


There are a few members, most use different names.

/me is Rob/d0ppy/Synja/AnonymousBum


EDIT: Apparently JPNYC removed the most important part of that quote... Yeah... I know it was you... YOU'RE OFF MY CHRISTMAS CARD LIST!!!

[JPnyc]

:halo:

[D0pp139an93r]

The quote isn't funny without... Well... Yeah.

There was no swearing at least...

[JPnyc]

I understand but like I said in the edit, we have no age limit on these forums. While that can be a bit constricting, it's a fact of life that we have to address. :(

[kryptonic]

:) i was quoted lol...yea unerror is a fun server, but it does always seem to get perverted...ohh well throw a bunch of lonley computer nerds in a chat room and what do you expect :-p

[Moira]

Synful hi, as you know, we caught up with each other in the channel :)

However, I'm starting to see why some people are a bit lukewarm about the IRC channel. The minute I mentioned AO someone (presumably a server op) "killed" me :( It doesn't sound very AntiOnline friendly .... and frankly I cba with all that rather childish kick/ban stuff.

It's very easy to kick someone out of a channel you op or (in the case of a kill) admin, but it's much harder persuading people to hang out there. Normal users have more power than they realise because they can vote with their feet. And I'm afraid I have better things to do than continue rejoining channels when there are so many more of them!

[kryptonic]

Which Server were you on Moira?

[Moira]

irc.unerror.com #lobby

[thehorse13]

Well, ya can't say you weren't warned. I told ya that there were some rather hostile folks there when it comes to this site. ;)

--TH13

[Donkey Punch]

Well, ya can't say you weren't warned. I told ya that there were some rather hostile folks there when it comes to this site. ;)

--TH13

That is not truuuueeee :D

[D0pp139an93r]

However, I'm starting to see why some people are a bit lukewarm about the IRC channel. The minute I mentioned AO someone (presumably a server op) "killed" me It doesn't sound very AntiOnline friendly .... and frankly I cba with all that rather childish kick/ban stuff.
ConnectServ didn't tell me who killed you, but I assure you, that is not how AO is usually handled. I will be bringing that issue up with the other opers/admins.

Normally they just kick you and make jokes about gh3yness.

Well... suffice to say ... Poop happens.

[MicroBurn]

Synful hi, as you know, we caught up with each other in the channel :)

However, I'm starting to see why some people are a bit lukewarm about the IRC channel. The minute I mentioned AO someone (presumably a server op) "killed" me :( It doesn't sound very AntiOnline friendly .... and frankly I cba with all that rather childish kick/ban stuff.

It's very easy to kick someone out of a channel you op or (in the case of a kill) admin, but it's much harder persuading people to hang out there. Normal users have more power than they realise because they can vote with their feet. And I'm afraid I have better things to do than continue rejoining channels when there are so many more of them!

If you know who did it (I can probably look through the logs and find out), I'll have a talk with them. It's about time we had another "meeting" (if you could call it that) anyways.

I hope this won't discourage you from coming back. As TH13 says, that's usually not how things are handled. Yes, a lot of us are (were) from AO, and a lot have some bitter feelings towards it (for one reason or another, hell, I was banned at AO once for no reason), but no IRC oper should act in that way. They all know what kill and all those are measures are for, and someone mentioning AO isn't one of it's uses.

Also; yes, the chat turns gay sometimes (usually Brad, Jack of Synful :-p), but it's a fun place to hang out, and you can actually learn sometimes.

Anyways, I hope this hasn't discouraged you.

enmand

[kryptonic]

WOW...MB i havent talked to you in a while whats been up man?

[MicroBurn]

WOW...MB i havent talked to you in a while whats been up man?

Heya, not to much, been busy with school and stuff. Other than that, nothing noteworthy has really happened in my life, at least I don't think it has. What about you?

enmand

[Moira]

Anyways, I hope this hasn't discouraged you.


Of course not :) this is IRC and I'm used to it. In fact I need to reboot shortly (damn XP and no native recognition for Bluetooth, it won't see my newly formatted memory card in the phone even though the device is paired!).

When I reopen Mirc, it will automatically join the channel again. I just can't be bothered to respond to pointless kicks and kills by immediately coming back in, is all. I'm not sure what people like this are trying to prove - we already know what server admins and ops can do. I've been one myself.

[kryptonic]

Heya, not to much, been busy with school and stuff. Other than that, nothing noteworthy has really happened in my life, at least I don't think it has. What about you?

enmand

Same stuff man...Im in college now going for database administration...thats pretty much all that is new lol.

[Moira]

Databases were/are my main interest (and strength). Lucky you if you end up working in that field! :)

The channel is fine .... g4yn3ss and pr0n talk I can live with (IRC is not for the faint hearted). Maybe I'm just beyond all this kill/ban evasion stuff. I part own a channel on qnet and in all the time I've run it (at times single handed), I don't think I banned anyone at all! +m is so much more humiliating and in the event of a botnet attack, +r and +i/+k work a lot better.

I still much prefer IRC to MSN/AIM/Yahoo mainly due to the more relaxed atmosphere and mentality of the people you chat to. I've learned so much from IRC and it's instant help - priceless!

[MicroBurn]

Databases were/are my main interest (and strength). Lucky you if you end up working in that field! :)

The channel is fine .... g4yn3ss and pr0n talk I can live with (IRC is not for the faint hearted). Maybe I'm just beyond all this kill/ban evasion stuff. I part own a channel on qnet and in all the time I've run it (at times single handed), I don't think I banned anyone at all! +m is so much more humiliating and in the event of a botnet attack, +r and +i/+k work a lot better.

I still much prefer IRC to MSN/AIM/Yahoo mainly due to the more relaxed atmosphere and mentality of the people you chat to. I've learned so much from IRC and it's instant help - priceless!

We're not a large server, but somehow, we attract BotNet attacks (it might have something to do with being on the mIRC server list), and in most events, g/z-lines work the best ;-), anyways, DefCon protects us well most of the time anyways. I've had a chit-chat with the oper that did it, and they meant no harm, they said they have nothing against AO or you, and it was only meant in a joke way (we have a weird sense of humor), and nothing else.

:-), time for a Lost break in my studying!

enmand

[Donkey Punch]

We're not a large server, but somehow, we attract BotNet attacks (it might have something to do with being on the mIRC server list), and in most events, g/z-lines work the best ;-), anyways, DefCon protects us well most of the time anyways. I've had a chit-chat with the oper that did it, and they meant no harm, they said they have nothing against AO or you, and it was only meant in a joke way (we have a weird sense of humor), and nothing else.

:-), time for a Lost break in my studying!

enmand

enmand, me and Brad celebrate our gayness. Now come on over to Florida, and you, me, Brad and Syini666 can have a facial.

[Moira]

Thanks MicroBurn ... I realise it was only a joke and I take no offense at all. Heck, I'd been there about 2 minutes, so it can't have been anything personal! :) I don't even want to know who did it.

Anyway, I'm happy to stick around in the channel :) it seems lively with plenty of chat. Botnets (or the people who think they're clever for running them) are a total pain. Qnet suffers quite a bit and it's so unnecessary because it achieves exactly nothing. I can see their "use" to send spam or harvest confidential details from compromised PCs, but to part/join an irc channel in such rapid succession that nobody else can get a word in ..... pointless.