ok thanks guys for your help, sorry about asking about punters, i didn't know it was a no no since the fact every freak in the chat rooms are playing with them and getting on my nerves but anyways im not looking to do everyone i was just after one to use on people that are acting really out of control in chats that younger people are in and i wanted an anti punter so i could still chat with people and not get kicked when some person thought it would be funny, but thanks for your help anyhow.