Hey jcmcb, I agree with you to a point, k wait, no I disagree with you about almost everything. I dpn't think you could 'make' the comment that our founding fore fathers weren't christian, I'll admit that I don't know what a dieist is, though, even with the site.

You can't get more conservative than puritanical ideals. You your self said you don't know whether the 'conservative x-tians" put the 'In God We Trust' on bills and notes, well, I can say I DON"T know who put it there, but I'll bet you a month's pay it wasn't yer moden day conservox-tians.

On the pledge yer right, we did put it in there in the fifties, just like someone else had posted, to make ouselves better than the 'godless communists'. Heh, 'the godless communists', are they diesists too??? I know what a diety is, I just can't form much out of the word to constitute a religion, would Ben Tom and George have called themselves dieists??


5+|234M, "When was the last time you heard of an athiest or agnostic pulling a child out of a school for religious beliefs? "
I know quite a few who pulled there children out b/c of religious beliefs, not their beliefs, but other people's. I have a buddy who's wife homeschools their kids, he always wants to bitch about Thanksgiving and how it's portayed in History texts, the cornanicopia of pumkins and corn, white and red sitting together at a long table in the woods, heh, like the last supper, he'd say.

"They would rather have the entire public school system bend to meet their own desires. And if it doesn't teach EXACTLY what they want it to teach, they cry discrimination. "??
I totally disagree with you, non-christians in general don't bitch as a group, we know we're outnumbered, and know when we're beaten. That's why your previous statement doesn't hold up. Why struggle when you can just handle the whole damn thing yourself?? Pull the kids out, teach them right, give them an open view about anything you can.

" I've heard quite a few cries that tend to go something like this: "How dare they think that they're too good for our school system. Who do they think they are? Do they really think they're better than us?""
Your touching on a subject that has nothing to do with a person's religious views, your getting into class consciousness, the haves vs. the have nots. If your trying to group all agnostic and athiest poeple into this group, your saying that they are all the poorer people in the population. My un-xtian friends haven't been denied the right to warp the minds of the good christian children, they never wanted it. Trying to 'convert' someone, nowandays is a largley christian thing, the rest of us believe what we want, and keep it to ourselves unless asked.