Uh oh!

[Viperboy]

What I believe actually happened was at first, because they were in bed with Iraq, France acted all macho and butch and threatened their veto. When this didn't stop the US' well formed plans, they realised that because of their initial attitude, the US was going to crap on them, so to speak. They also realised that NOW they'd be missing out on their tidy little money collections and oil deals. What a shame!

France, you should have joined the Coalition. Hindsight is a woeful experience.....

[Ghostdog]

Ahahah, I laugh. If you think that US win look at what is Iraq for now. All has to be done. Iraqis miss everything (security, food, medecine, work, money, house, ...).

Before spitting on France, it would be necessary to look at what US do with Saudi Arabia. By helping Saudi Arabia the USA directly finances the internationnal terrorism, and Ben Ladden/Al Quaida at first. What the money of oil is used for?

Iraq needs the help of all. The past is the past but if you can't understand that then Iraq is lost.

[FrameWork]

Ahahah, I laugh. If you think that US win look at what is Iraq for now. All has to be done. Iraqis miss everything (security, food, medecine, work, money, house, ...).

Before spitting on France, it would be necessary to look at what US do with Saudi Arabia. By helping Saudi Arabia the USA directly finances the internationnal terrorism, and Ben Ladden/Al Quaida at first. What the money of oil is used for?

Iraq needs the help of all. The past is the past but if you can't understand that then Iraq is lost.

Im not trying to be a butt here, but i have to ask. Ghostdog would your opinions on Saudia Arabia be the same if it were they whom we were attacking (or liberating)? Your point is right on Saudi Arabia, but i have to wonder if you would be singing the same tune if we attacked them. If your a straight shooter and an independent thinker then i retract my statement.

[KorpDeath]

This is all moot, anyway.

The issue at hand is whether or not France assisted Iraqi leaders (SoDamn Insane -btw - Ishbar you're welcome) .

I don't hate France or the French anyomre than anyone else but to put it rather bluntly the French gov't has had it's head up it's ass for quite some time now so all they smell is sh*t. (If you know what I mean)

As soon as they come around this bickering will stop, however, if it's found out that they were material in the evacuation of Iraqi leadership then crap is gonna hit the fan, big time. And the fallout from that could very well shake the very foundation of the U.N and all it stands for. IMO

At least it should.

[darkes]

This is not the first time that France has done something like this.

Anyone remember the reports from Bosnia when we were trying to stop Serbia's ethnic cleansing?
It was widely reported that a fairly senior French military officer had leaked sensitive intelligence information to some senior Serb leaders wanted for war crimes allowing them to escape. In other words, they were warned by France that we knew where they were & they were about to be raided by special forces.

As a direct result of this, the US does not share a lot of sensitive intelligence information with most of Europe. The UK is in a different position here, as it is regarded as 'trusted partner' by the US which will not leak sensitive information.

This does have a significant bearing on what happened in Iraq, as the UK would have had access to a lot of information that France & the UN did not have, which partly explains the willingness of the UK to join with the US. The big question is whether or not this intelligence was correct, as you would have expected evidence of WMD to have been found by now.

[FrameWork]

The big question is whether or not this intelligence was correct, as you would have expected evidence of WMD to have been found by now.

Well, before we let out troops drink from the Tigris, our troops tested the water and found traces of illegal chemical substances. This doesnt necessarily prove anything, since false positives with this sort of detection equipment are common. However the two mobile weapons lab's we have discovered in the last few days are nothing to sneeze at. Our government cannot find any other use for these types of labs, except for possibly producing beer. My question is, how likely is it that a mobile beer truck is what we have on our hands here?

[Viperboy]

Originally posted here by KorpDeath
This is all moot, anyway.


As soon as they come around this bickering will stop, however, if it's found out that they were material in the evacuation of Iraqi leadership then crap is gonna hit the fan, big time. And the fallout from that could very well shake the very foundation of the U.N and all it stands for. IMO

At least it should.

Right on, KorpDeath. I often wonder exactly what the UN is still around for. It seems to be, as I've said before, the proverbial 'toothless tiger'. You know, all growl, no bite.

[FrameWork]

I often wonder exactly what the UN is still around for. It seems to be, as I've said before, the proverbial 'toothless tiger'. You know, all growl, no bite.

If you will just look back over the years, the U.N has pretty much been this way since it's beginning. The only real bite they have is in the area of food distribution and humanitarian services.

[gold eagle]

I still think the UN is functioning as intended, mainly, it is a sounding board for those who otherwise would have no voice and a grand stage for the rest.

[Ghostdog]

FrameWork said

Im not trying to be a butt here, but i have to ask. Ghostdog would your opinions on Saudia Arabia be the same if it were they whom we were attacking (or liberating)? Your point is right on Saudi Arabia, but i have to wonder if you would be singing the same tune if we attacked them. If your a straight shooter and an independent thinker then i retract my statement.

I take the Saudi Arabia as example because it's similar to Iraq. France does commercial with Iraq like US does with Saudi Arabia. The differents is that US take at least 50% of his oil with Saudi Arabia. Iraq has a very low extraction of oil. Saudi Arabia is known for his terrorism, for the moment there's no proof that Iraq is a terrorism country. US will never attack Saudi Arabia because of oil. And I'm an independent thinker, I'm here to share my point of view and learn what others think. I don't take all what my president say, if Chirac was not agree with Bush it's because France has a point of view but I sure that relations with Iraq are for something too.

KorpDeath said

The issue at hand is whether or not France assisted Iraqi leaders

I'm sure that France has not assisted Iraqi leaders. If so I change my nationnality. What have French gouvernemnt to win ? Nothing, except to put all the world against France. But a person who work for France (like a diplomat) may have done this. This is not impossible, during WWII french, English and american have help Nazi.

darkes said

Anyone remember the reports from Bosnia when we were trying to stop Serbia's ethnic cleansing?

France had a great role in the conflict with Serbie.Création of the agreements of Dayton, creation of the SFOR, 7500 soldier sending.