Guns, Lots of Guns

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Originally posted here by rcgreen


A fair question, but have you ever considered "the other side"



http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/nrule.htm

It wasn't some berserk individual, or a criminal, or a gang that did this. It was a lawfully
elected government. The only thing that could have stopped the holocaust
is if those six million jews had been armed.

That dosn't hold too much water, a number of dictators allowed their populace to be armed (notably Husain in Iraq)

Originally posted here by ZomBieMann77
My idea of gun control is to use both hands. When you outlaw guns only the criminals have them. Why shouldnt i be able to defend my house and family in a town where it takes an average of 11 minutes from the time a 911 call is placed to the time nthe first officer arives. 11minutes is a long time for somebody to be able to hurt my family and take my stuff. Now with my good ol' mossberg 500 12 gauge thats not as likely to happen. Now i know somebody out there is thinking what if one of the kids is up out of bed and i only think they are an intruder. Well its kinda hard to confuse a 6 year old (my oldest) with an intruder. Oh yea and also the guns are stored in a place where the kids do not have acsess to them. Its this magical little think called a lock and a key that i am the only one that has said key.

You have pointed out exactly why we need gun control and licensing, you are doing it right, and should have no problems getting a gun, its the nutjobs that refuse to lock up their guns and keep them in easy reach of kids that I worry about. You handle your guns safly a lot of people don't

[/|Glacier|\]

In a Bballad World

A short story by DR MD. Glacier(edited by ****'s for Political Correctness )


Is gun control really about guns? Sounds like an odd question on the surface, but it’s really right on target. In fact, the answer is: No, gun control is not really about guns. It’s about failed social programs, the destruction of the ***** family in America, and the rotten politicians who are responsible.

The “welfare handouts in exchange for votes” schemes began in the 1930s with Roosevelt’s New Deal, and they coincided with the beginning of the dissolution of the American **** family. Although discriminated against back then,***** had about the same percentage of intact family units as white families, and as a race***** crime was about the same as white crime. Today, thanks to decades of accelerating “welfare for votes” social engineering, the ***** family unit in the ghetto is history (welfare checks have replaced fathers) and the ***** crime rate is manyfold that of whites.

The welfare checks not only destroyed the ***** head of household in the ghetto, but also the ***** family’s self respect and its ability to be self-reliant. As it does with most poor, dependent, fractured families, it lead to an increase in crime. But rather than admit their horrible mistakes in making people dependent on handouts rather than on themselves, the politicians have claimed that guns are responsible for the high crime rate in America.

[allenb1963]

When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. Not exactly the society I would prefer to live in. As one of my old neighbors used to say...

They can have my gun when they pry my cold dead fingers off the barrel.

[neohunk]

bare hand fighting is more civilian
isn't it?

[nihil]

Hi!

In answer to:

But in addition to hearing comments from those in the US I would like to hear from those in other parts of the world.

In England (UK) our Gun Laws (which I think started around 1936) have traditionally been aimed at Public Safety. Although there are some clauses in the legislation relating to "prohibited weapons" (machine guns etc.) it is a general principle that criminal law will deal with criminals, and gun control is not a part of criminal law.

We have 62million people living in an area a half the size of the State of Oregon, and a 7.62mm NATO (.308Winchester) round is lethal at 3,000 yards..........Hence it is a lot easier to obtain a shotgun than a high velocity rifle.

The basic rules are that you must have a good reason to have one, be of sound mental health, have somewhere safe to keep it, and somewhere safe to use it. People with criminal records need not apply (not that they would )

Although not many people are aware of it, if you can get a Home Office prohibited weapons exemption certificate, you can have just about anything you like, including machine guns and rocket launchers............arms dealers have these, as the UK still has quite an active armaments industry.

[Schrodinger]

Another UK opinion. We have generally had a very different perspective from the US on guns, and in general, we do not have them around. The view is much more that unless you have a good reason for having a gun, you really shouldn't.

In terms of the US, I think they should have more control over who has a gun, or rather, they should have had more control. I take the points that if you were to outlaw guns now, it would simply remove them from the legitimate posessors, not the illigitimate ones. How you move on from where you now are, I am unsure.

It has always struck me that the US approach to guns and the UK approach to cars bear striking similarities. And they are both wrong, and need changing.

IMVHO.

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Originally posted here by /|Glacier|\
In a Bballad World

A short story by DR MD. Glacier(edited by ****'s for Political Correctness )


Is gun control really about guns? Sounds like an odd question on the surface, but it’s really right on target. In fact, the answer is: No, gun control is not really about guns. It’s about failed social programs, the destruction of the ***** family in America, and the rotten politicians who are responsible.

The “welfare handouts in exchange for votes” schemes began in the 1930s with Roosevelt’s New Deal, and they coincided with the beginning of the dissolution of the American **** family. Although discriminated against back then,***** had about the same percentage of intact family units as white families, and as a race***** crime was about the same as white crime. Today, thanks to decades of accelerating “welfare for votes” social engineering, the ***** family unit in the ghetto is history (welfare checks have replaced fathers) and the ***** crime rate is manyfold that of whites.

The welfare checks not only destroyed the ***** head of household in the ghetto, but also the ***** family’s self respect and its ability to be self-reliant. As it does with most poor, dependent, fractured families, it lead to an increase in crime. But rather than admit their horrible mistakes in making people dependent on handouts rather than on themselves, the politicians have claimed that guns are responsible for the high crime rate in America.

I see its gun control and welfare taht is keeping the black man down. that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Perhaps its the faild loony left policy of low income houseing (inforced gehtos) and a culture of failure that is to blame, add that to the rights constant push for a larg source of cheap labor and you have your culprit...gun control has very litel to do with any of that.

I understand that in your world any nut job on the street could walk into a store and walk out with a gun, but in the real world where we have sociopaths and psycos (not to mention he stupid) this cannot be done.

[RoadClosed]

Gun control hell.... I say Birth Control should be in effect.

Gun control activists are like the left sided abortion activists. Partial Birth abortions aren't really necessary, just like an assault combat rifle isn't really necessary in a citizen's hands. But neither side will give an inch because, when a little is given - that gives ammunition (pun intended) to the activist to pursue and shoot away at their ultimate goal. Total bans and criminality of each issue. Actually going to jail for possessing a gun or getting an abortion is absurd. I hope future generations can protect those rights.

When society caves to the aggression of government and extremists, the will of the people will fail.

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Its frighting road closed but I think you and I basicly agree on most stuff we just come at it from difrent angles

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ZombieMann,

I'm not disagreeing about your home defense and you're right to home defense however if your arms are under lock and key just how quickly can you defend your family after being rousted from sleep in the dark?

I teach Hunter Education and firearms safety. I am a firm believer in the right to bear arms although I am willing to concede that some people need to have that right rescinded. I also believe there is no civilian need for some types of firearms.

My personal favorite is my PSE Compound Bow, 28'' drawlength, 65 lb pull with a 65% letoff, I shoot 6'' groups at 30yds from an elevated platform.

Just as the other pro gun people have said, if you take the right away from the law abiding citizens then just the crooks will have them. That's pretty scary.