Sir Dice and luv kido, thank you for that site. I feel somewhat duh for not going to CISCO in the first place. luv kido I knew there was a CCNP but not a CCDP. I have a CCNA Study Guide (the one by Todd Lammle) but it is a bit out of date. But it does have test prep in it. So I guess the game plan is to study for the CCNA and I should be able to pass the CCDA. Thank you all so much for your help. Oh and I'll be sending that email to you luv kido. THANKS!