Spyder32 sorry if you felt that way. please you should know that i am new to this field and very curious. would you mind tell me what KorpDeath ment by "In all honesty if they were a real threat, they'd already have the script to crash Norton and they'd have already done it." is if its not aginst the policy of the site please give me details. do all attacks have to be Zero day attack to work or even older ones work because of not updated servers. dont mind my curiosity.