Originally posted here by The Grunt
What is it with every non christian believing we believe everything in the old testament? When Christ came, he basically said everything said before him was BS, listen to what he had to say, his overpowered god's former choices. An Eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth is now considered BS by most christian religions. Judaism is one of the few who still believe it. Get your facts straight before you **** on our religion like that.
On the matter of religion, although JP put it rather bluntly and with, in my oppinion, incorrent examples, I certainly do get his point and definately agree with him. Should Hitler be alive, I would never accept it should he say "Yeah... I know killing the jews was wrong, but now I believe blah and blah and blah." And I'm not talking about that ancient change from the old testiment to the new, I'm talking about things that happend after that. The inquisition, witch burning, systematically parasiting and manipulating people through a gigantic international uncontrollable entity called "the church." For instance, even today the church is spreading lies in parts of africa about condoms and other means of birth control, while the WHO, and other organizations who know what they're talking about, are telling these statements are simply incorrect. You are either incredibly naive, commonly ignorant, programmed by society, or all of them.

Religion, although playing a big issue in this, should be a topic for a different discussion. I invite you to start a different thread about christianity and/or other religions and I, and I'm sure others too, will be happy to join the discussion.

Originally posted here by rcgreen
So, the argument about whether it is a choice or a gene is still a proxy
argument for and against homosexuality, rather than an investigation
of the scientific evidence.
The scientific fact of the matter simply is that if it is a choice, society has a big influence on that choice. If it's a gene, society plays a big role in the choice one has to accept his or her own nature. Her own undeniable desires. As long as homosexuality is somehow, in some way, seen as "different," "weird," "taboo," or even "evil," soceity will provide a lot of scientific data in the outcome of one's sexual preference.