yeah, i think its a little bit overkill, but w/e. i tried running procexp and winpatrol before starting the game and procexp causes it to hang. the process doesnt show up in winpatrol tho, nprotect doesnt do anything if winpatrol is up. the actual processes that procexp was showing(before everything hangs) are called gunbound.gme and gameguard.des. i still dont understand how they hide that from the task managers(except for procexp). you can get the game for free at www.gunbound.net if you wanna try it out